FFS get a grip
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@Paj lots of good observations BUT those starters are statistically the best in world over first halves this year.
Imagine that the first five took on the line to keep the defence engaged, passed quickly and kicked accurately. Imagine a backline that ran onto the ball at different angles and passed accurately.
Imagine using running props as options to keep the defence stationary. Used the non-running forwards to clean rucks instead of the other way around.
Imagine loose forwards that had a body of work on both sides of the ball.
I haven’t analysed Q3s but my hunch is that said starters are pants in that period. Either that or the half time team talks are lessons in self sabotage.
I think the latter is more true than not given that's the opportunity for the incompetent to offer their insights and poison the minds of those on the field who have been doing the work.
But that doesn't absolve those on the field for abominably bad decisions.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
this is the problem though....our whole game plan for the last 6 years has been about attack from anywhere with miracle plays....ive seen nothing over the last several years to believe we can change gears, selections are all centred around individual brilliance
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think the first half on Sunday morning was good because we were ahead on the scoreboard is some box score bullshit.
the starters ARE a problem.Are we completely fucked? no
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@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
The poms blew definitely 2 maybe 3 try scoring opportunities in the first half, and couldn't win a lineout. We were not good at all.
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credit where it's due, our defensive lineout was fucking ace on the weekend, and the scrum was good right up until the card.
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@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
When your 10 can neither kick for touch nor take shots at goal competent substitution would be to replace him with someone who can.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
of all this sort of weird rant, this is the bit that stands out as being the issue.
our "processes" are actually the problem and contributing enormously to why we are failing. The process, on either side of the ball, seem to be adding pressure to ourselves rather than the opposition.
What, exactly, is this superiority you think we just need fall back on? Our powerful forwards? Superior kicking accuracy? Fast, creative backs? what exactly is it you see that i don't? -
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
When your 10 can neither kick for touch nor take shots at goal competent substitution would be to replace him with someone who can.
the problem is playing him at all. He's the very definition of washed. which goes back to the issues that everyone is talking about and you seem to be ignoring.
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@mariner4life the lineout is our only area of superiority.
Edit: and only with Taylor on. -
@reprobate said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the lineout is our only area of superiority.
Edit: and only with Taylor on.ah, edit got me. it is right up until it's not.
Also we make the weirdest lineout calls at crucial times. Most of the time we run a pretty simple but effective set of movements, but then when we feel pressure we resort to overly complicated, three movement calls that we seem to fuck up more than we win.
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@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
of all this sort of weird rant, this is the bit that stands out as being the issue.
our "processes" are actually the problem and contributing enormously to why we are failing. The process, on either side of the ball, seem to be adding pressure to ourselves rather than the opposition.
What, exactly, is this superiority you think we just need fall back on? Our powerful forwards? Superior kicking accuracy? Fast, creative backs? what exactly is it you see that i don't?That’s a very broad question. But in general phase play ABs are very good at finding and exploiting space, and historically very efficient at finishing opportunities.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
of all this sort of weird rant, this is the bit that stands out as being the issue.
our "processes" are actually the problem and contributing enormously to why we are failing. The process, on either side of the ball, seem to be adding pressure to ourselves rather than the opposition.
What, exactly, is this superiority you think we just need fall back on? Our powerful forwards? Superior kicking accuracy? Fast, creative backs? what exactly is it you see that i don't?That’s a very broad question. But in general phase play ABs are very good at finding and exploiting space, and historically very efficient at finishing opportunities.
the 2025 team i firmly disagree.
historically? yes
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