All Blacks 2026
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2026:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry only won one
My immediate reaction. But it was the second RWC he coached at i think that's what @taniwharugby meant.
i admit i always thing he won twice, i assume i always think of Mccaw/DC et al as Henrys squad and they won twice...stupid brain
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry was 65 when he won his 2nd RWC.
I dont think age is a barrier, the coaches desire is...sure Cotter might think fuck yeah, I'll take it onthrough to end of RWC, then plan for JJ & Brown to take over....what if he wins and thinks, fuck yeah, this is good shit, really enjoy it, wanna stay at the helm for longer...
Henry only won one, but I agree. There seem to be a few odd ideas floating around - that nobody can work past 65, that certain coaches wouldn’t be willing to be assistants, or that their egos are too big for them to work together.
agree with the idea of working past 65 although also like the idea of someone younger and having rea stability for a long time....But i definitely think there are people out there that wouldnt want to be an assistant and 100% believe there are personalities that cant work well together
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2026:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry only won one
My immediate reaction. But it was the second RWC he coached at i think that's what @taniwharugby meant.
i admit i always thing he won twice, i assume i always think of Mccaw/DC et al as Henrys squad and they won twice...stupid brain
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry was 65 when he won his 2nd RWC.
I dont think age is a barrier, the coaches desire is...sure Cotter might think fuck yeah, I'll take it onthrough to end of RWC, then plan for JJ & Brown to take over....what if he wins and thinks, fuck yeah, this is good shit, really enjoy it, wanna stay at the helm for longer...
Henry only won one, but I agree. There seem to be a few odd ideas floating around - that nobody can work past 65, that certain coaches wouldn’t be willing to be assistants, or that their egos are too big for them to work together.
agree with the idea of working past 65 although also like the idea of someone younger and having rea stability for a long time....But i definitely think there are people out there that wouldnt want to be an assistant and 100% believe there are personalities that cant work well together
Of course but we don't actually know, for example, that Rennie won't be willing to be an assistant coach or that Joseph and Cotter wouldn't be able to work together, do we? That's just supposition. Or is there some evidence of that? There was some talk about Robertson not wanting to be an assistant coach but I don't think I've heard anything like that about the others. It seems a bit like an uncapped player turning down a chance to play for the All Blacks if he has to sit on the bench.
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So much going on, has it.been discussed.that Brown said Razor approached him last year and that he had no approach prior to Razors appointment (inc Razor who it was.rumoured wanted TB too)
So with the whole process, JJ would have to have applied in 2023 and included TB in his team, so kne assumes either JJ didnt didnt apply (which was rumoured) or JJ applied without asking TB (unlikely)
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Devlin saying he's heard that Hansen could stay, if this is the case, maybe he wasnt part of the problem in the reviews?
has hansen thrown razor under the bus to save himself, " i was only doing all the coaching because razor wasnt and someone had to try!"
Should def. be judged on his coaching ability but one of the rumours was Hansen was taking players' concerns to Robertson, but they ended up in a black hole. It true, seems to indicate he was at least trying to sort things out and doing his best, but we'll never know.
If that's true am wondering what was going on for Razor i.e., was out of his depth, wasn't getting sound advice/mentoring re how to manage disccord, his mental health and/or all of the above ....hoping he's getting some good support. Can't be great to be him right now.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
So much going on, has it.been discussed.that Brown said Razor approached him last year and that he had no approach prior to Razors appointment (inc Razor who it was.rumoured wanted TB too)
So with the whole process, JJ would have to have applied in 2023 and included TB in his team, so kne assumes either JJ didnt didnt apply (which was rumoured) or JJ applied without asking TB (unlikely)
i hadnt heard that before! i was under the belief both Razor and Fossie had asked him when they went for it after 2019
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/tony-brown-reveals-razor-approached-him-over-all-blacks-role
damn him and his honour
‘‘I’ve even talked to Razor a couple of months ago about potentially joining the All Blacks, >but it’s like I said to him: my commitment to South Africa was four years and I’ve always >wanted to honour that.’’
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/tony-brown-reveals-razor-approached-him-over-all-blacks-role
Interesting.
```He was ‘‘so frustrated’’ that nobody talked to him about joining the All Blacks two years ago. “It was definitely Scott Robertson’s team versus Jamie Joseph’s team . . . the process that New Zealand Rugby set up. ‘‘I think with me being with Jamie, Scott potentially didn’t want to take me as well. He had quality coaches in Jason Holland and Leon MacDonald, Scott Hansen with him and Jason Ryan, so they had a strong coaching team. ‘‘Jamie put his team together and I was part of that and New Zealand Rugby went with Scott ``` -
Interesting comments he made from an assistant coaches point of view,
It is right that NZR would want to know who a HC candidate would want as his assistants.
But the candidates shouldn't be the ones actually putting their coaching teams together.
It would be up to NZR to see if they can actually get the assistants wanted, as some of them may not already be employed by them.
Seems that both Robertson and Joseph wanted Brown on board.
There shouldn't be a problen with that; in fact it should make it easy for NZR, one assistant coaches position sorted; no matter which HC candidate they eventually went with.Dunno how far down the line the process is, but I can see it taking quite some time to get the whole coaching team together.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
i like the idea but cant think why he wouldn't be able t get out of his contract now but would later in the year even closer to the RWC, i think if its not now then its post RWC
If you look at the nuts and bolts of the Brown case; some one at NZR (probably Lendrum) has to make the call to his opposite at SAR.
As opposed to Razor, Lendrum seems to be able to articulate very, very well (to well?).
But even then, the final decision on something like that would still go further upstairs.
Someone like Rassie would have only an indirect say, but know exactly what his comment would be . . . tell them to FUUUUUCK OFF. -
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Devlin saying he's heard that Hansen could stay, if this is the case, maybe he wasnt part of the problem in the reviews?
Lol if that's the case, they may as well have bloody kept Razor!
It's not beyond the realms of possibility, Hansen coached alongside Joseph & Brown at Sunwolves in 2018, then alongside Brown at Sunwolves in 2019, then he became Japan defence coach for 3 years, from 2019-2022.
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@restofit said in All Blacks 2026:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Devlin saying he's heard that Hansen could stay, if this is the case, maybe he wasnt part of the problem in the reviews?
Lol if that's the case, they may as well have bloody kept Razor!
It's not beyond the realms of possibility, Hansen coached alongside Joseph & Brown at Sunwolves in 2018, then alongside Brown at Sunwolves in 2019, then he became Japan defence coach for 3 years, from 2019-2022.
Just the small issues of him being strongly disliked by the squad, failing to improve the ABs in his first two years, and being very linked to Razor.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2026:
@restofit said in All Blacks 2026:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Devlin saying he's heard that Hansen could stay, if this is the case, maybe he wasnt part of the problem in the reviews?
Lol if that's the case, they may as well have bloody kept Razor!
It's not beyond the realms of possibility, Hansen coached alongside Joseph & Brown at Sunwolves in 2018, then alongside Brown at Sunwolves in 2019, then he became Japan defence coach for 3 years, from 2019-2022.
Just the small issues of him being strongly disliked by the squad, failing to improve the ABs in his first two years, and being very linked to Razor.
Who has actually said Hansen is strongly disliked by Players? Isn't it all just guesswork?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
I genuinely don't think we're too far off and it's been a morale/poor man management thing more than anything. Focus on consistency could work wonders
Some of the structural issues seem to have been addressed too - the AB XV providing a testing ground for future AB players and coached. More needed and hopefully on Kirk's radar
We are way off the Boks at the moment. They do everything better than us by some way. But we are good enough or competitive with other nations.
Generally I would like to see what a better first five does for our attacking game and we need to be a lot better in the air. We are awful.
But vs Boks …their forwards are monsters so we need some new thinking or tactics to achieve parity - keeping the ball, managing set piece, winning the gainline, not conceding penalties etc
4 tests plus other games in SA right now is like climbing Everest.
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It occured to me that Razor is actually very much old school from watching his first AB training day speech that's floating around. He comes across as a very proud determined man. Someone a bit cringy, but still likeable. Perhaps the modern player needs more stroking than what he is prepared to give? There are a lot of similarities between razor and rassie, not least of which is their coaching record.
It appears that the NZRU did not have a successor to razor in mind when he was sacked. Out of the frying pan into the fire? No-one seems to know what's going on.
