All Blacks 2026
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and it might look targeted if they keep Ryan and drop Hansen..
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Cotter is turning 64 next week..I really liked what he did with the Blues as well but he might just not want the pressure of HC. But a HC of Rennie or Joseph with Cotter as forwards coach* and someone like O'Gara** as attack/backs coach might not be so bad.
*I didn't mind Ryan at all.
**I have, no doubt, a hot take that I'm the only one who's intrigued to see what Carlos Spencer could do (praised by Plumtree for what it's worth). But then I think we don't need more mercuriality at 10.. -
Henry was 65 when he won his 2nd RWC.
I dont think age is a barrier, the coaches desire is...sure Cotter might think fuck yeah, I'll take it onthrough to end of RWC, then plan for JJ & Brown to take over....what if he wins and thinks, fuck yeah, this is good shit, really enjoy it, wanna stay at the helm for longer...
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
the only other thing i could possibly understand is waiting for a new HC to decide who he wants so they dont have to pay them out only to rehire them
Combined with the fact one of the leading candidates worked with Hansen in the past + Ryan has worked with multiple regimes now - that's exactly what it is
Yeah - imagine if they’d paid out Hansen for example and then JJ or whoever wanted to keep him. They couldn’t make the decision on the assistants at the same time.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2026:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2026:
I sense Cotter would be make shift through to the World Cup only if they did appoint him. Not saying that’s a bad thing either
Honestly, the more i think about it the more i think Cotter is the ideal short term (2026 & 27) appointment.
Seems like a hard nose, no bullshit bloke who will get buy in and be able to shore things up. He's been around the block, knows international rugby, been in some tough coaching situations before.
He's not a sexy pick but he might be the right guy for this time and place.
See now you making it hard lol. Although I hadn't had Cotter in my thoughts, I agree, I would be happy with him too. So now I have to admit to being happy with any of Cotter, Joseph or Rennie.
Make me think perhaps we not too bad off in coaching.The most important thing that needed to be done has been done.
It has to be ruthless from the top down.
Whoever gets the gig going forward now has the spectre of being sacked mid tenure hanging over them.
A couple of players need to be shown the door too, to show the guillotine can reach the grass.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Devlin saying he's heard that Hansen could stay, if this is the case, maybe he wasnt part of the problem in the reviews?
Lol if that's the case, they may as well have bloody kept Razor!
Maybe his breakdancing wasn't up to standard?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry was 65 when he won his 2nd RWC.
I dont think age is a barrier, the coaches desire is...sure Cotter might think fuck yeah, I'll take it onthrough to end of RWC, then plan for JJ & Brown to take over....what if he wins and thinks, fuck yeah, this is good shit, really enjoy it, wanna stay at the helm for longer...
If he wins it he can do whatever he likes.....
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry was 65 when he won his 2nd RWC.
I dont think age is a barrier, the coaches desire is...sure Cotter might think fuck yeah, I'll take it onthrough to end of RWC, then plan for JJ & Brown to take over....what if he wins and thinks, fuck yeah, this is good shit, really enjoy it, wanna stay at the helm for longer...
Henry only won one, but I agree. There seem to be a few odd ideas floating around - that nobody can work past 65, that certain coaches wouldn’t be willing to be assistants, or that their egos are too big for them to work together.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry only won one
My immediate reaction. But it was the second RWC he coached at i think that's what @taniwharugby meant.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2026:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry only won one
My immediate reaction. But it was the second RWC he coached at i think that's what @taniwharugby meant.
i admit i always thing he won twice, i assume i always think of Mccaw/DC et al as Henrys squad and they won twice...stupid brain
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry was 65 when he won his 2nd RWC.
I dont think age is a barrier, the coaches desire is...sure Cotter might think fuck yeah, I'll take it onthrough to end of RWC, then plan for JJ & Brown to take over....what if he wins and thinks, fuck yeah, this is good shit, really enjoy it, wanna stay at the helm for longer...
Henry only won one, but I agree. There seem to be a few odd ideas floating around - that nobody can work past 65, that certain coaches wouldn’t be willing to be assistants, or that their egos are too big for them to work together.
agree with the idea of working past 65 although also like the idea of someone younger and having rea stability for a long time....But i definitely think there are people out there that wouldnt want to be an assistant and 100% believe there are personalities that cant work well together
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2026:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry only won one
My immediate reaction. But it was the second RWC he coached at i think that's what @taniwharugby meant.
i admit i always thing he won twice, i assume i always think of Mccaw/DC et al as Henrys squad and they won twice...stupid brain
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Henry was 65 when he won his 2nd RWC.
I dont think age is a barrier, the coaches desire is...sure Cotter might think fuck yeah, I'll take it onthrough to end of RWC, then plan for JJ & Brown to take over....what if he wins and thinks, fuck yeah, this is good shit, really enjoy it, wanna stay at the helm for longer...
Henry only won one, but I agree. There seem to be a few odd ideas floating around - that nobody can work past 65, that certain coaches wouldn’t be willing to be assistants, or that their egos are too big for them to work together.
agree with the idea of working past 65 although also like the idea of someone younger and having rea stability for a long time....But i definitely think there are people out there that wouldnt want to be an assistant and 100% believe there are personalities that cant work well together
Of course but we don't actually know, for example, that Rennie won't be willing to be an assistant coach or that Joseph and Cotter wouldn't be able to work together, do we? That's just supposition. Or is there some evidence of that? There was some talk about Robertson not wanting to be an assistant coach but I don't think I've heard anything like that about the others. It seems a bit like an uncapped player turning down a chance to play for the All Blacks if he has to sit on the bench.
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So much going on, has it.been discussed.that Brown said Razor approached him last year and that he had no approach prior to Razors appointment (inc Razor who it was.rumoured wanted TB too)
So with the whole process, JJ would have to have applied in 2023 and included TB in his team, so kne assumes either JJ didnt didnt apply (which was rumoured) or JJ applied without asking TB (unlikely)
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
Devlin saying he's heard that Hansen could stay, if this is the case, maybe he wasnt part of the problem in the reviews?
has hansen thrown razor under the bus to save himself, " i was only doing all the coaching because razor wasnt and someone had to try!"
Should def. be judged on his coaching ability but one of the rumours was Hansen was taking players' concerns to Robertson, but they ended up in a black hole. It true, seems to indicate he was at least trying to sort things out and doing his best, but we'll never know.
If that's true am wondering what was going on for Razor i.e., was out of his depth, wasn't getting sound advice/mentoring re how to manage disccord, his mental health and/or all of the above ....hoping he's getting some good support. Can't be great to be him right now.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
So much going on, has it.been discussed.that Brown said Razor approached him last year and that he had no approach prior to Razors appointment (inc Razor who it was.rumoured wanted TB too)
So with the whole process, JJ would have to have applied in 2023 and included TB in his team, so kne assumes either JJ didnt didnt apply (which was rumoured) or JJ applied without asking TB (unlikely)
i hadnt heard that before! i was under the belief both Razor and Fossie had asked him when they went for it after 2019
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/tony-brown-reveals-razor-approached-him-over-all-blacks-role
damn him and his honour
‘‘I’ve even talked to Razor a couple of months ago about potentially joining the All Blacks, >but it’s like I said to him: my commitment to South Africa was four years and I’ve always >wanted to honour that.’’
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/tony-brown-reveals-razor-approached-him-over-all-blacks-role
Interesting.
```He was ‘‘so frustrated’’ that nobody talked to him about joining the All Blacks two years ago. “It was definitely Scott Robertson’s team versus Jamie Joseph’s team . . . the process that New Zealand Rugby set up. ‘‘I think with me being with Jamie, Scott potentially didn’t want to take me as well. He had quality coaches in Jason Holland and Leon MacDonald, Scott Hansen with him and Jason Ryan, so they had a strong coaching team. ‘‘Jamie put his team together and I was part of that and New Zealand Rugby went with Scott ``` -
Interesting comments he made from an assistant coaches point of view,
It is right that NZR would want to know who a HC candidate would want as his assistants.
But the candidates shouldn't be the ones actually putting their coaching teams together.
It would be up to NZR to see if they can actually get the assistants wanted, as some of them may not already be employed by them.
Seems that both Robertson and Joseph wanted Brown on board.
There shouldn't be a problen with that; in fact it should make it easy for NZR, one assistant coaches position sorted; no matter which HC candidate they eventually went with.Dunno how far down the line the process is, but I can see it taking quite some time to get the whole coaching team together.
If it's to be done properly.
