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B&I Lions 2017

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  • CrucialC Crucial

    I like the idea of the Lions using Ford at 10. We could target his piss poor tackling and he wouldn't get away with having others cover for him like he does against the unimaginative rivals in the 6N
    The other thing that was very obvious over the weekend is the England are the only team up there that play anywhere near the pace that we are used to. The contrast going from watching Super rugby (in the rain) to Wales/Ireland was hard to take. It was like they were playing with a medicine ball in a field of treacle.
    This is going to cause issues for Gatland as he won't stack his team with the English and every non England player he brings in means he has to adjust the gameplan toward a hybrid of a power game and speed.

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    @Crucial Yeah - even that Blues-Highlanders game - I watched it after all the 6N games, and 15 minutes in I felt like I'd watched more rugby in 15 minutes than in the entire Wales-Ireland game. Which was just well, considering the rest of the game.

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    • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

      If the backs were being picked this morning

      Hogg (Scotland)
      North (Wales)
      Joseph (England)
      Farrell (England)
      L Williams (Wales)
      Ford (England)
      Webb (Wales)

      Subs
      Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

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      @MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

      If the backs were being picked this morning

      Hogg (Scotland)
      North (Wales)
      Joseph (England)
      Farrell (England)
      L Williams (Wales)
      Ford (England)
      Webb (Wales)

      Subs
      Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

      I would take Biggar over Sexton, less injury prone more of a team player

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      • M mooshld

        @MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

        If the backs were being picked this morning

        Hogg (Scotland)
        North (Wales)
        Joseph (England)
        Farrell (England)
        L Williams (Wales)
        Ford (England)
        Webb (Wales)

        Subs
        Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

        I would take Biggar over Sexton, less injury prone more of a team player

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        @mooshld

        We'll see after the last 6N round.

        And still a lot of rugby to be played before the team is selected.

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          I'd be amazed if (fitness permitting) they didn't start an all Irish 9-10 combo. And then without doubt need to replace at least Sexton game 2 after he goes home broken.

          Interesting bit for me on the weekend was the way Englands second string locks shit all over the Gray brothers. Also Itoje looked much more like a 6. Tho' its sort of hard to tell as him & Lawes are basically combining to both play as a 5.5.

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          • gollumG gollum

            I'd be amazed if (fitness permitting) they didn't start an all Irish 9-10 combo. And then without doubt need to replace at least Sexton game 2 after he goes home broken.

            Interesting bit for me on the weekend was the way Englands second string locks shit all over the Gray brothers. Also Itoje looked much more like a 6. Tho' its sort of hard to tell as him & Lawes are basically combining to both play as a 5.5.

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            @gollum

            The biggest challenge for Gatland is does he pick tried & tested combos or does he put the best 15 in-form athletes on the park.

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            • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

              @gollum

              The biggest challenge for Gatland is does he pick tried & tested combos or does he put the best 15 in-form athletes on the park.

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              Crucial
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              @MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

              @gollum

              The biggest challenge for Gatland is does he pick tried & tested combos or does he put the best 15 in-form athletes on the park.

              Plus planning how to deal with the two games a week thing. As soon as he splits the squad the combos mix up even more so possibly the second best player in a position may not get to train much with the test squad.

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              • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                If the backs were being picked this morning

                Hogg (Scotland)
                North (Wales)
                Joseph (England)
                Farrell (England)
                L Williams (Wales)
                Ford (England)
                Webb (Wales)

                Subs
                Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

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                Catogrande
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                #233

                @MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

                If the backs were being picked this morning

                Hogg (Scotland)
                North (Wales)
                Joseph (England)
                Farrell (England)
                L Williams (Wales)
                Ford (England)
                Webb (Wales)

                Subs
                Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

                If you have both Ford and Farrell playing, then you don't need Sexton there. Halfpenny to cover wing and FB plus place kicking. Leaves room for some centre cover - though who that is I'm not entirely sure. Henshaw perhaps with strict instructions to keep out of rolling mauls, Davies, Jones (the Scottish one)?

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                  #234

                  Yes please sir, can we have some of that Scottish midfield defence please?

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                  • CatograndeC Catogrande

                    @MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

                    If the backs were being picked this morning

                    Hogg (Scotland)
                    North (Wales)
                    Joseph (England)
                    Farrell (England)
                    L Williams (Wales)
                    Ford (England)
                    Webb (Wales)

                    Subs
                    Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

                    If you have both Ford and Farrell playing, then you don't need Sexton there. Halfpenny to cover wing and FB plus place kicking. Leaves room for some centre cover - though who that is I'm not entirely sure. Henshaw perhaps with strict instructions to keep out of rolling mauls, Davies, Jones (the Scottish one)?

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                    #235

                    @Catogrande

                    Fair call.

                    Daly?

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                    • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                      @Catogrande

                      Fair call.

                      Daly?

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                      Catogrande
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                      #236

                      @MiketheSnow Fair call. Back at you!

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                      • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                        If the backs were being picked this morning

                        Hogg (Scotland)
                        North (Wales)
                        Joseph (England)
                        Farrell (England)
                        L Williams (Wales)
                        Ford (England)
                        Webb (Wales)

                        Subs
                        Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

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                        MN5
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                        #237

                        @MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

                        If the backs were being picked this morning

                        Hogg (Scotland)
                        North (Wales)
                        Joseph (England)
                        Farrell (England)
                        L Williams (Wales)
                        Ford (England)
                        Webb (Wales)

                        Subs
                        Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

                        No love for superstar Tim Visser?

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                        • MN5M MN5

                          @MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

                          If the backs were being picked this morning

                          Hogg (Scotland)
                          North (Wales)
                          Joseph (England)
                          Farrell (England)
                          L Williams (Wales)
                          Ford (England)
                          Webb (Wales)

                          Subs
                          Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

                          No love for superstar Tim Visser?

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                          Catogrande
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                          #238

                          @MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

                          Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

                          Zebo
                          Trimble
                          Bowe (although injured now)
                          Maitland
                          North
                          Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
                          Watson
                          Daly
                          Nowell
                          May

                          Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

                          My Grandma
                          Cuthbert

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                          • CatograndeC Catogrande

                            @MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

                            Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

                            Zebo
                            Trimble
                            Bowe (although injured now)
                            Maitland
                            North
                            Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
                            Watson
                            Daly
                            Nowell
                            May

                            Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

                            My Grandma
                            Cuthbert

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                            MN5
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                            #239

                            @Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

                            @MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

                            Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

                            Zebo
                            Trimble
                            Bowe (although injured now)
                            Maitland
                            North
                            Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
                            Watson
                            Daly
                            Nowell
                            May

                            Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

                            My Grandma
                            Cuthbert

                            Well yeah I'm holding out hope as he is big and fast just like Gatland likes and better than Cuthbert ( and scored twice vs the ABs on Murrayfield debut )

                            You forgot Seymour who is a real chance.

                            #clutchingatscottishstraws

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                            • MN5M MN5

                              @MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

                              If the backs were being picked this morning

                              Hogg (Scotland)
                              North (Wales)
                              Joseph (England)
                              Farrell (England)
                              L Williams (Wales)
                              Ford (England)
                              Webb (Wales)

                              Subs
                              Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

                              No love for superstar Tim Visser?

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                              MiketheSnow
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                              #240

                              @MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:

                              @MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

                              If the backs were being picked this morning

                              Hogg (Scotland)
                              North (Wales)
                              Joseph (England)
                              Farrell (England)
                              L Williams (Wales)
                              Ford (England)
                              Webb (Wales)

                              Subs
                              Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

                              No love for superstar Tim Visser?

                              Ha ha

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                              • CatograndeC Catogrande

                                @MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

                                Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

                                Zebo
                                Trimble
                                Bowe (although injured now)
                                Maitland
                                North
                                Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
                                Watson
                                Daly
                                Nowell
                                May

                                Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

                                My Grandma
                                Cuthbert

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                                MiketheSnow
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #241

                                @Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

                                @MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

                                Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

                                Zebo
                                Trimble
                                Bowe (although injured now)
                                Maitland
                                North
                                Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
                                Watson
                                Daly
                                Nowell
                                May

                                Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

                                My Grandma
                                Cuthbert

                                Comedy Gold 🙂

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                                • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                  @Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

                                  @MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

                                  Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

                                  Zebo
                                  Trimble
                                  Bowe (although injured now)
                                  Maitland
                                  North
                                  Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
                                  Watson
                                  Daly
                                  Nowell
                                  May

                                  Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

                                  My Grandma
                                  Cuthbert

                                  Comedy Gold 🙂

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                                  Catogrande
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                                  #242

                                  @MiketheSnow And I forgot to mention that my Grandma is dead.

                                  And never played the game anyway.

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                                  • CatograndeC Catogrande

                                    @MiketheSnow And I forgot to mention that my Grandma is dead.

                                    And never played the game anyway.

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                                    #243

                                    @Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

                                    @MiketheSnow And I forgot to mention that my Grandma is dead.

                                    And never played the game anyway.

                                    Sounds like Cuthbert has a chance then...

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                                    • D Derm McCrum

                                      @Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

                                      @MiketheSnow And I forgot to mention that my Grandma is dead.

                                      And never played the game anyway.

                                      Sounds like Cuthbert has a chance then...

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                                      Catogrande
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                                      #244

                                      @Pot-Hale Two chances in fact.

                                      Slim.

                                      Fat.

                                      Make that three chances - Gatland's wild card pick 😠

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                                        Derm McCrum
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                                        Wales and England coming back into flavour for the Gatland squad mix I suspect.

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                                        • CatograndeC Catogrande

                                          @MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

                                          Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

                                          Zebo
                                          Trimble
                                          Bowe (although injured now)
                                          Maitland
                                          North
                                          Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
                                          Watson
                                          Daly
                                          Nowell
                                          May

                                          Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

                                          My Grandma
                                          Cuthbert

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                                          Frye
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                                          #246

                                          @Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

                                          @MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

                                          Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

                                          Zebo
                                          Trimble
                                          Bowe (although injured now)
                                          Maitland
                                          North
                                          Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
                                          Watson
                                          Daly
                                          Nowell
                                          May

                                          Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

                                          My Grandma
                                          Cuthbert

                                          A lot of plodders there.

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