B&I Lions 2017
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@Crucial Yeah, one weird observation by Woodward - something about if he did it again he wouldn't try to gain respect off the field. Complete lack of self-awareness.
@Kruse said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial Yeah, one weird observation by Woodward - something about if he did it again he wouldn't try to gain respect off the field. Complete lack of self-awareness.
That would be easy to do if basing the team out of Melbourne (while simultaneously playing more provincial matches).
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An interesting fact I had forgotten that came up in this doco I am watching is that Gordy Slater played the Lions twice, 12 years apart. Good man. Can't be too many that have done that.
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
An interesting fact I had forgotten that came up in this doco I am watching is that Gordy Slater played the Lions twice, 12 years apart. Good man. Can't be too many that have done that.
Chris Smylie came off the bench for Otago in 2005 too and is/was in the WTG for the Canes earlier - could come off the bench if Perenara is not released.
Donald would have played if Waikato had been scheduled or he qualified for NZ Maori (or does he and Hill was selected over him?)
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gotta have some Haka talk, I see it has lost it's Mystique, Auras less famous and less able cousin!
Interestingly, it says Dawson (of Hakarena fame) and Merhts agree, yet I cant see any quotes form Merhts in the article?
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@taniwharugby snap, I put that in the other thread. Very concerning.
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gotta have some Haka talk, I see it has lost it's Mystique, Auras less famous and less able cousin!
Interestingly, it says Dawson (of Hakarena fame) and Merhts agree, yet I cant see any quotes form Merhts in the article?
@taniwharugby said in B&I Lions 2017:
gotta have some Haka talk, I see it has lost it's Mystique, Auras less famous and less able cousin!
Interestingly, it says Dawson (of Hakarena fame) and Merhts agree, yet I cant see any quotes form Merhts in the article?
That's good. There'll be no complaints about it then.
Mystique sounds like she's from West Auckland.
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@taniwharugby snap, I put that in the other thread. Very concerning.
@No-Quarter yeah I honestly couldn't give a rats arse what that gobshite Dawson has to say.
I guess the issue on a tour like this is there is gonna be a lot of Hakas done, which will detract from it a bit - ABs x 3, was it 2 or 3 super teams plus Maori...so only maybe 3 games without it?
That said, again, don't give a crap what they say, but the fact they are talking about it, means it is something that annoys them or winds them up to a point, so fuck em!
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I don' think anyone except Matt Dawson actually likes Matt Dawson
withering put downAnd from Football365
*Yet there can only be one winner, heavyweight champion of the banter Matt Dawson, a man for whom ‘going for a cheeky pint with the lads’ has become a way of life.I can do no greater service to Dawson’s characteristics than the wonderful Jonathan Liew did in 2015, but suffice to say the former England rugby player has hardly learned his lesson. His persona can be best described as Top Gear presenter’s nephew, without the bootcut jeans but very much with the loud pub voice and the over-exuberant slapping of backs. Dawson is the mate to everyone in ‘the industry’ but the friend of far fewer, spending his Saturday evenings in the pub with people who end tweets with hashtags like #DrinkLowDrinkChariot and #RealMenRealAle.* Everton's worst fan
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gotta have some Haka talk, I see it has lost it's Mystique, Auras less famous and less able cousin!
Interestingly, it says Dawson (of Hakarena fame) and Merhts agree, yet I cant see any quotes form Merhts in the article?
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The first quote is from Mehrts but has been misattributed to Dawson. In the second sentence he says "WE shouldn't dictate how other teams receive it". Dawson wouldn't say "we".
@Frye ah ok....I hadn't read it that carefully, but shoulda expected that from Stuff.
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Matt Dawson fancies himself as a bit of a comedian but the only two times I've ever got a laugh out of him were straight after the 2003rwc when his club shifted him to centre to make way for a halfback who couldn't get a super 12 contract and his whining about being downtroud and having his arse whipped with a cactus.
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Got to meet a few of the Lions at work today. A Welsh hooker who looks like Tony Woodcock (I assume all frontrowers look alike), Irish back Robbie Henshaw and English lock Maro Itoje.
They were real top blokes and that Itoje is a behemoth of a person. All seem pretty relaxed unlike the team in 2005 when the players looked on edge the whole time (I was working the 2005 tour for an events team in Wellington so saw the squad around a bit).
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Got to meet a few of the Lions at work today. A Welsh hooker who looks like Tony Woodcock (I assume all frontrowers look alike), Irish back Robbie Henshaw and English lock Maro Itoje.
They were real top blokes and that Itoje is a behemoth of a person. All seem pretty relaxed unlike the team in 2005 when the players looked on edge the whole time (I was working the 2005 tour for an events team in Wellington so saw the squad around a bit).
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@Sneakdefreak Didn't know they were allowed Mackie D?!
@pakman They were just visiting all the fat kids stuck in that Chief Big Mac contraption....
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Got to meet a few of the Lions at work today. A Welsh hooker who looks like Tony Woodcock (I assume all frontrowers look alike), Irish back Robbie Henshaw and English lock Maro Itoje.
They were real top blokes and that Itoje is a behemoth of a person. All seem pretty relaxed unlike the team in 2005 when the players looked on edge the whole time (I was working the 2005 tour for an events team in Wellington so saw the squad around a bit).
@Sneakdefreak said in B&I Lions 2017:
Got to meet a few of the Lions at work today. A Welsh hooker who looks like Tony Woodcock (I assume all frontrowers look alike), Irish back Robbie Henshaw and English lock Maro Itoje.
They were real top blokes and that Itoje is a behemoth of a person. All seem pretty relaxed unlike the team in 2005 when the players looked on edge the whole time (I was working the 2005 tour for an events team in Wellington so saw the squad around a bit).
Yeah, that behind the scenes doco I watched the other night had the management team putting huge pressure on with a very serious vibe. The players did not look like they were enjoying the team meetings at all. It was very old school.
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You'd think our accent is thuck as pugshut
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Looks like Gatland is getting this tour off to a good start engaging with the community.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11868548
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11868886
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Looks like Gatland is getting this tour off to a good start engaging with the community.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11868548
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11868886
@taniwharugby Wales did the same at the 2011 RWC, and Gatland said he was keen to repeat that community engagement.
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@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Pot-Hale how is Gatland though of in Ireland after coaching there?
Hard to beat this site for analysis of Irish rugby and retro-articles.
http://www.the42.ie/warren-gatland-1981914-Mar2015/Gatland has some pluses (capping young players with potential)
some minuses (RWC 1999 defeat to Argentina, speculation that he was ousted by his backs-coach Eddie O'Sullivan, later years Mourinho-style grandstanding)
sometimes both together (radical pick of 4 first-caps for Scotland game in 2000: Stringer, Hayes, Horgan, O'Gara -
who went on to get a huge number of caps:
Stringer 98 caps; Hayes 105 caps; Horgan 65 caps; O'Gara 128 caps: not bad for a Yank)He seems limited in several ways: style of rugby, antagonistic with the press/opposition
but he has won lots of trophies - another example of being like Mourinho?- getting the English club team Wasps
- from the lower parts of the English league to winning it in 2003 + 2004 +2005
- winning the European Cup in 2004
- with Wales
- Grand Slams in 2008 + 2012
- 6 Nation winners in 2013
- with Lions: series win in Australia (debate scale of achievement and selection issues elsewhere)
- getting the English club team Wasps
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@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Pot-Hale how is Gatland though of in Ireland after coaching there?
Hard to beat this site for analysis of Irish rugby and retro-articles.
http://www.the42.ie/warren-gatland-1981914-Mar2015/Gatland has some pluses (capping young players with potential)
some minuses (RWC 1999 defeat to Argentina, speculation that he was ousted by his backs-coach Eddie O'Sullivan, later years Mourinho-style grandstanding)
sometimes both together (radical pick of 4 first-caps for Scotland game in 2000: Stringer, Hayes, Horgan, O'Gara -
who went on to get a huge number of caps:
Stringer 98 caps; Hayes 105 caps; Horgan 65 caps; O'Gara 128 caps: not bad for a Yank)He seems limited in several ways: style of rugby, antagonistic with the press/opposition
but he has won lots of trophies - another example of being like Mourinho?- getting the English club team Wasps
- from the lower parts of the English league to winning it in 2003 + 2004 +2005
- winning the European Cup in 2004
- with Wales
- Grand Slams in 2008 + 2012
- 6 Nation winners in 2013
- with Lions: series win in Australia (debate scale of achievement and selection issues elsewhere)
@Megweya cheers interesting stuff there. I was working with an Irish crew during the 1999 Rwc and had a look at their newspaper to see what their press said after the loss to Argentina . One columnist was asking why they had to have a kiwi coach and the Brazilians were good at football but no one thought their coaches were any better and reckoned the same applied to New Zealand and their coaches. Would love to remember that guys name and see how he feels about that theory.
That 2001 6n game vs the poms was a cracker , as was our come from behind win which was Richie's first test . - getting the English club team Wasps
