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    Sid Going, RIP
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    @pakman
    I agree with Sid. He had the better of all his opposites.

    For you young types he was a bit like Aaron Smith (with zero yap!). Never seen a better ball runner. Quick, low centre of gravity, and very strong. I sometimes wonder how olden time players would go in the modern game. Have absolutely no doubt Going would be a sensation.

    Halfbacks are nearly always the best natural players on any team. They have to be, they are the smallest. Going was a natural, could have given a good account in any position. Played fullback for NZ once, and was an occasional goal kicker. And he could hit in the tackle.

    As for Going verse Edwards.

    I remember the ’71 tour. I think it was the first ever live TV test series in NZ.

    Going played six times against the Lions, and five times against Edwards. At one point they faced each other twice in one week.

    Thought the ABs edged the series even tho they lost. Drawn series probably a fair result.

    Lost the first test cos Fergie couldn’t kick straight.

    Dominated the second—awesome all time great Kirkpatrick try, run in from half way. Kirkpatrick and Going had great combo. A Going snipe and offload to Kirkpatrick—classic.

    Definitely lost 3rd test. Sir Brian came out of retirement—nah. And the Lions scrambled a draw in the fourth.

    But maybe the best game of the whole tour tho, was the week before the fourth test. Versus NA in Whangarei.

    The 70’s were the great days for the Taniwha. Awesome team. They ran on to field back then super confident they could beat anyone.

    The Lions fielded pretty much the same team that ran on in the Fourth a week later.

    From what I recall of the game, it was “rugged.” NA dominated for stretches, the Lions held on, steadied, and finished with a try late. Probably the superior touring team fitness telling.

    Of the players; I can recall David Duckham scoring at a crucial point, a bit against the run of play; and a great tackle by JPR Williams on Brian Going when he was sure to score. Williams was one of the best front on tacklers I ever saw. Perfect technique.

    Of the others; I have zero recollection of Edwards, the “greatest,” or of Barry John, or any of the others.

    After the the game John Dawes (Lions capt.) made the comment that this was the only game on tour that he became anxious about stopping the opposition.

    I checked the Taniwha line-up for the game;

    six ABs (C&F); Sid and Ken Going, Joe Morgan, Murray Jones, Richie Guy, Bevan Holmes;

    two AB reserves (so would have been ABs now days), Dennis Panther and Frank Colthurst;

    an AB Junior, Zukov Marinkovic;

    two AB trialists Rod Jones (brother of Murray) and Les Bradley;

    two Maori ABs (Laly Haddon and Brian Going), Haddon was a Jonah type, could play wing and No 8;

    with Jim Kirtlan and Craig Poynter, locking.

    Great great team! And a great coach, Ted Griffin, 25 years in charge.

    It’s for another thread, but that lineup is probably a reason why we are not engaged with top class NZ domestic rugby any more.

    In the pro era I would say the majority of the above players are not even in NZ.

    That was the amateur days, star players everywhere!

    There must be five or 600 top class NZ players plying their trade OS now. In olden times they were all still here.

    Never happen now, but imagine the standard of the local competition if they were.


  • All Blacks 2025
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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:

    Another middle of the road tour means another 12 months of the same shit, and in fact probably right through to the World Cup.

    This is by far the most likely scenario.


  • All Blacks 2025
  • M mohikamo

    Depth Chart:
    October 15, 2025.

    Players are listed purely on number of appearances; AB first, then SR.
    Not my personal preferences, rather, the current coaches.

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    Tie breakers are; first, appearances in other positions, then substitute appearances.

    ABs officially listed as unavailable, are included as ABs.


  • Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?
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    @Crazy-Horse

    I could write a book about this!

    There are about 7 grades of NZ pro rugby contract

    1st Full
    2nd Draft
    3rd Interim
    4th Development
    5th Sevens
    6th Provincial
    7th Provincial Development

    That covers all professional rugby players in NZ.
    All are NZRU employees and must be available for national teams.
    About 700 players.

    As I understand it . . . .

    There are probably about 150 full contracts out there; 30 for each Super team and maybe a couple of outliers (Savea for example). Plus the Black Ferns.
    A full contract is divided into two components, the NZ component and the Super component.
    Max Super component is 195G, min 75.

    A draft contract is for players drafted in for a single competition; currently there are 6 draft players per Super team.
    So not many out there on draft contracts.

    An interim contract covers all players brought in temporarily.
    The player you are talking about would have been on one of these contracts.
    Dropping him out of the squad would probably be a budgetary/CEA consideration. The original player having to be on the list if he was now fit and available. Not being able to flick a player on a draft/full contract.

    Development contracts seem to be for young players that NZR basically just wants to have stick around. To stop them going overseas I’m guessing. PU’s doing the same with their Dev contracts. Probably not many of these.

    Sevens contracts; about 40 of them; 20 boys, 20 girls.

    Provincial contracts; a multitude of these.
    Each PU must have a minimum of 26 of these (plus AB's)
    The interesting thing here is that while these contracts are separate to NZ contracts, all NZ contracted players must also have a Provincial contract. So those on NZ contracts actually have 2 contracts.

    NZR would have to be the largest single employer of rugby players in the world.
    I don’t think it operates like this anywhere else in the rugby world.
    Good luck to whoever keeps on top of this at NZR.

    Made a few assumptions, but off the top of my head; that's sort of how I understand it.


  • What is decline?
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    @stodders said in What is decline?:

    I wasn’t around in 1971 when the Lions toured, but from what I have read and heard, it feels like NZ rugby is at similar seminal moment. People are questioning the ABs DNA, the quality of the player, the paucity of coaching acumen.

    Now that you bring it up, there are corollaries with what’s happening now and the early 1970’s.

    Pretty much thru out the 1960’s NZ had held the No. 1 ranking; and reached their zenith with Fred Allen’s unbeaten run as coach (66 to 68).
    Played a nice, 15 man power game, led by hard men like Colin Meads and Ken Gray.

    But Allen was not an establishment guy (gotta like that) and didn’t mind upsetting an administrator.
    That sure doesn’t happen now.
    He jumped in 1968.

    He was replaced by Vodanovich (an associate of the NZRFU chairman) and he presided over the decline.
    Beaten in SA in 1970 and by the Lions in 1971.
    Kind of shooting ourselves in the foot; great admin work!
    NZ still held the No. 1 ranking after defeat by SA in 1970 (the rankings work like that) but in 1971 the Saffers took over at the top. This was the first time SA had been No. 1 since 1962, spending nearly a decade back in the ranks.

    New Zealand probably didn’t reach the dominance of the 1960’s again until the late 1980’s.
    Swapping No. 1 back and forth with SA for the intervening, becoming dominant when SA got the boot.

    Although the Brits were definitely No. 1 in 1974; their highest point since ancient times. But the Lions don’t count in the rankings.

    I’d say currently; New Zealand had slipped back into the pack by about 2019. And we’ve been bouncing around in there ever since.


  • Poll: Best AB coach - professional era
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    Definitely not Hart; although he'd win the poll if it was just about PR.
    Hart would be first in that one; and Mitchell last.

    Assuming it's just the head coach role; so not Smith, to short.

    The other four I sort of consider as one and the same; in succession.
    Henry started it, set it all up; and Hansen kept it going.
    All doing pretty much the same thing.
    The problem being, the operational environment has been changing.
    And none of the last three seem to have been able to make the correct adjustments.

    Hansen did run out of ideas towards the end; when he really did need to change things up.
    I found that very disappointing, and expected more from someone who was in the primo rugby coaching role on the planet.

    And the next two are sort of bumbling along in the same vein as the late Hansen.

    So it has to be Henry.
    Started with a bit of a mess, and left it as a power house.


  • Auckland v Northland
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    @Kirwan
    Haha, even the Riverhead club on the Waitemata was in the North Auckland union at one time.
    Times have certainly changed!


  • World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game
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    @MiketheSnow

    Nah

    what you do is send the yellow card player off,
    BUT THEN, when the team with the man advantage scores (or the ten minutes expire - which ever comes first) thats the end of the card.
    both teams back to equal . . . so simple to administer

    should be the same for red cards
    the only difference being then, is that the red carded player doesn't come back, a different player does

    commensense


  • Scotland v All Blacks
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    @sparky said in Scotland v All Blacks:

    I thought at half time that finally we were going to get a statement performance under Robertson.

    This was an opportunity to play our own game, against a team that was going to let us do that.

    At half time this should have gone 50/50 at worst. Like a final score of 40 to 20; as the Scots regained some parity.
    Instead the Scots won the second half easily.
    So much for playing our own game, and making a statement performance.

    Finished well though, always like that.
    Showing a bit of mental strength, for the seond week in row.


  • Important rugby records - All Blacks and others
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    I can remember when Wales v NZ was a big thing.
    Beat them in 67, 69 (twice) 72 and 78; pretty much put an end to the thing.
    Wales had a good team back then too.
    JPR Williams, Gerald Davies, Phil Bennett, Derek Quinnell, Mervyn Davies.
    Still not good enough tho.
    The Wales v NZ test in 1972 was in fact the first ever test match broadcast live into NZ.
    Keith Murdoch scored a great try in that 72 game.
    Keith got a bit pissy after the game.
    Would have beat them in 1905 too, if they had the TMO.


  • Exodus
  • M mohikamo

    @taniwharugby

    I think PUDC players get $1,250 assembly per game; so $12,500 for ten games (plus their retainer)
    There is no minimum retainer for a PUDC player.
    PUs can have as many PUDC players as they like.
    And if your PUDC retainer is under $2,500, you can walk to another PU anytime.

    PUC retainers per player are $55,000 max; $21,000 min; with $85,000 max possible for 2 veterans (8 seasons, same team).
    Individual match fees, win bonuses are part of the retainer.
    The max for a U20 player is $21,000; $25,000 if it's the second year.

    All ABs must have a PUC and get the max $5,500 per game ($55,000), and they get that even if they dont play (NZR picking up the tab).

    Official training sessions; $150 per day.

    There are NZR PU Premier comp incentive payments for NZC players,.
    NZR Incentive payments dont come under the PU salary cap.
    Two years NZC player $5,000; four years $12,500; five or more years, $35,000.

    And there are also NZR PU Premier comp incentive payments for PUC players as well,.
    4 years $5,000; 5 years + $7,500.

    Super clubs can actually make a contribution to a players PUC too, but cannot break the 55G PU max.
    This is not in the PU salary cap, or to be out of the NZR PPP.

    There are team incentives as well for finals. $75,000 for a home final.

    The Premier competition (thats what they call it) duration is for 15 weeks.
    Say $38,000 is an average comp payment, that is just over $2,500 a week.
    Which is ok, but if you dont have a NZC, it is only 15 weeks work.
    If you have a half decent day-job, you are not quitting for that money.
    If you are U20, it's only $1,400 per week

    But if you have an NZC, it's probably quite good money.
    It'll all add up nicely.
    SC money plus PU money equals not too bad.


  • All Blacks 2025
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    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    Robbie Deans

    Played against Robbie Deans at school
    He was fuckin good.
    Carved us up, the little prick.
    And his F'n brother, and jock hobbs.
    They had a f'n good team!


  • Poll: Best AB coach - professional era
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    @sparky

    Got it 100%

    Henry cleaned up a bit of a mess; and when he left it was in great shape.
    Hansen took over something that was already pretty good; and we he left it was a bit of a mess.
    Or heading that way; and maybe that's one of the reasons he left; cos he couldn't figure out a way forward.
    And the next two guys have been bumbling along trying to sort it.


  • Manawatu vs Northland
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    Yeah. Dunno why they are not giving Gregory a run at 12. Especially when the incumbents are not really showing anything. I laughed when I saw the replay of the try where Laumape ran straight up the middle of the field untouched. It's a different camera angle, Laumape in the foreground, and if you look in the background you can see Johnson and Tua having a "discussion". Haha. What a f...ing shambles. This is starting to reflect badly on Witcombe and Konia. Defence is all about attitude and organisation, coaches can have a big influence on that. Seasons gone, move Gregory to 12. If he's guna make the big time, it'll be in that position. And I'm guna say it.... he even reminds me a bit of Joe Morgan. And jeez my second team is going good, just watched them demolish Counties. They've superceded Canterbury in the Crusaders franchise, incredible, imagine if Northland did that to Auckland.


  • NPC Crowds
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    @gt12
    Yes
    in the amateur days Auck, Well, Cant poached players from the country provs.
    And Otago had the Varsity PE faculty. Otago University club produced a huge number of All Blacks.
    Not saying its the way to go, but amateur rugby was pretty good!


  • Auckland v Northland
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    @Pepe

    Just noted Laly Haddon also played for Omaha; he was a Jonah Lomu type; could play No 8 or winger.
    Played for NZ Maori a lot.
    Also, how times have changed. When he is mentioned nowdays; his nickname is noted as "Tracker."
    For the historical record . . . in his playing days he was known as "Black Tracker." Very unPC.
    I think he got the tag because he was big and fast, and as a No 8 he used to track across field in cover defence; and smash some poor winger into touch.


  • All Blacks 2025
  • M mohikamo

    @sparky

    hmmm
    Yesterday; found myself thinking about who is going to be the next AB coach for the first time since Robertson was appointed!
    Was expecting something a bit different from him after hansen/foster ran out of ideas, but it's looking pretty much more of the same. Really hard to see something significantly different.
    He'd better have a rethink (tactics/strategy, and players and assistants) or he's just guna be an interim.
    The next few games are guna be a really big test. I think we'll find him out.
    Guna be a fun watch!


  • North Harbour v Northland
  • M mohikamo

    Excruciating . . .
    Super important W for the season tho.
    Normally you'd say 5 wins would be enough for playoffs.
    But lookin at the table, with 2 games to go, only one team is definitely out.
    The finals are sort of guna start next weekend, two weeks early.
    So, no room for compalency


  • Black Caps tour of India
  • M mohikamo

    wow
    how the fuck did that happen!
    best nz cricket result ever!

    watched the whole series
    the indians got caught on a "sticky wicket" in the first
    in the 2nd and 3rd india went for spinning wickets
    it backfired spectacularly on them
    hard to believe it, but the spinning wickets actually suited us better than them


  • Auckland v Northland
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    @UpTheHarbs

    When the NARU was formed, the Kaipara district union (Helensville) was included.
    They played in the Harding Shield comp.
    North Auckland's first AB (Charlie Fletcher) came out of the Kaipara district.
    Fletcher played for the Waimauku club, just down the road from Kumeu.

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