All Blacks 2025
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@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks 2025:
Want to see more of Lam, Tupaea, and McLeod at 12.
McLeod is a poor man’s Jordie Barrett. Agree on Lam though.
Was just about to say, the last thing the ABs need is a Wish version of Jordie Barrett
Thought the same, McLeod had an excellent NPC though. Personally I would have Higgins anyway.
Ooooh NPC
That's like fir sure test form
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks 2025:
Want to see more of Lam, Tupaea, and McLeod at 12.
McLeod is a poor man’s Jordie Barrett. Agree on Lam though.
Was just about to say, the last thing the ABs need is a Wish version of Jordie Barrett
Thought the same, McLeod had an excellent NPC though. Personally I would have Higgins anyway.
Ooooh NPC
That's like fir sure test form
Great contribution bro.
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Would genuinely be stoked if we had a 12 step out of the shaows @Canes4life , just at this stage, I haven't seen anyone.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
Would genuinely be stoked if we had a 12 step out of the shaows @Canes4life , just at this stage, I haven't seen anyone.
AJ Lam ?
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@mariner4life A friend has gotten drunk with him at corporate functions a few times, said he's a really good guy. Knows he won the lottery and makes the most out of it.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life A friend has gotten drunk with him at corporate functions a few times, said he's a really good guy. Knows he won the lottery and makes the most out of it.
and that makes me like him more
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@mariner4life A friend has gotten drunk with him at corporate functions a few times, said he's a really good guy. Knows he won the lottery and makes the most out of it.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life A friend has gotten drunk with him at corporate functions a few times, said he's a really good guy. Knows he won the lottery and makes the most out of it.
I've had a few drinks with him over the years - great, genuine guy.
Ran into him after the 19 final in Japan and he had already had a couple of drinks and was about to jump into a taxi to head to some after party but a crowd of fans caught sight of him and he hung around for a good 10 minutes to sign autographs and chat with everyone. Just very down to earth and as you've said, aware of how lucky he's been.
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Just out of interest, on the 2nd 5 front, anyone been watching Investic cup or URC/
I personally think Jordie Barrett is playing bloody well.
Although I also pretty keen to see how Quinn Tupaea goes this season.@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
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@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
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@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
and not for a second suggesting its convinced me...but make you think about the idea that players might actually learn something playing overseas, will wait to see if it translates to the black jersey though
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@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
I’m not usually one for white knighting either of those two but in their defence there’s been very little opportunity to impress given it’s still January
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
I’m not usually one for white knighting either of those two but in their defence there’s been very little opportunity to impress given it’s still January
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
I’m not usually one for white knighting either of those two but in their defence there’s been very little opportunity to impress given it’s still January
It's people like you that are enabling the current ABs mediocracy by accepting that having not played for a few months is an excuse for not beating every other country comfortably and with style during that time
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
I’m not usually one for white knighting either of those two but in their defence there’s been very little opportunity to impress given it’s still January
It's people like you that are enabling the current ABs mediocracy by accepting that having not played for a few months is an excuse for not beating every other country comfortably and with style during that time
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think at this stage Tupaea is who he is - a handy squad option but not sure he ever has the game for anything more - would love to he proven wrong - would not be averse to him as an alternative bench option to ALB or Havili who added very little this year.
I’m not usually one for white knighting either of those two but in their defence there’s been very little opportunity to impress given it’s still January
It's people like you that are enabling the current ABs mediocracy by accepting that having not played for a few months is an excuse for not beating every other country comfortably and with style during that time
I know. At least Jordie is playing at the moment. Those two should be ashamed
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby. -
@mariner4life A friend has gotten drunk with him at corporate functions a few times, said he's a really good guy. Knows he won the lottery and makes the most out of it.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life A friend has gotten drunk with him at corporate functions a few times, said he's a really good guy. Knows he won the lottery and makes the most out of it.
Some mates and I picked him up in a taxi outside the Aviva pre Covid when Corporate had let him down. Shared a few Guinnesses at the Shelbourne.
Good bloke and took my query regarding the dwarves in his stride! -
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.Are they giving him more space and time to do his thing?
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.Are they giving him more space and time to do his thing?
@canefan thats the question, is leinster playing in a way to allow him to improve....or is the overall quality not as good and so the things that didn't work for the AB's...are working for them
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.Are they giving him more space and time to do his thing?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.Are they giving him more space and time to do his thing?
No not seemingly. He hasn't had more room that I noticed, just seems to be timing runs well, or what I have noticed seems real busy, but he finding players running off him, or finding them in space. Can't really put finger on one thing.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.Are they giving him more space and time to do his thing?
No not seemingly. He hasn't had more room that I noticed, just seems to be timing runs well, or what I have noticed seems real busy, but he finding players running off him, or finding them in space. Can't really put finger on one thing.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.Are they giving him more space and time to do his thing?
No not seemingly. He hasn't had more room that I noticed, just seems to be timing runs well, or what I have noticed seems real busy, but he finding players running off him, or finding them in space. Can't really put finger on one thing.
It’s because he doesn’t have an epileptic ferret playing inside him. Jordie has been brilliant at Leinster because he’s playing in a functional backline. Get McKenzie and Barrett out of 10 and someone who can actually engage the line AND pass and he’ll flourish, just as he in Leinster.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.Are they giving him more space and time to do his thing?
No not seemingly. He hasn't had more room that I noticed, just seems to be timing runs well, or what I have noticed seems real busy, but he finding players running off him, or finding them in space. Can't really put finger on one thing.
It’s because he doesn’t have an epileptic ferret playing inside him. Jordie has been brilliant at Leinster because he’s playing in a functional backline. Get McKenzie and Barrett out of 10 and someone who can actually engage the line AND pass and he’ll flourish, just as he in Leinster.
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.Are they giving him more space and time to do his thing?
No not seemingly. He hasn't had more room that I noticed, just seems to be timing runs well, or what I have noticed seems real busy, but he finding players running off him, or finding them in space. Can't really put finger on one thing.
It’s because he doesn’t have an epileptic ferret playing inside him. Jordie has been brilliant at Leinster because he’s playing in a functional backline. Get McKenzie and Barrett out of 10 and someone who can actually engage the line AND pass and he’ll flourish, just as he in Leinster.
You mean a 10 that can make space for his outsides, instead of taking it all for himself?
https://media4.giphy.com/media/8b9Xax6L7qtAkAimGm/200w.webp -
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 makes you question the quality of the coaching Jordie is getting in NZ.....
I think Jordie needs a Rennie style coach - like when SBW moved to the Chiefs from the Crusaders and improved his game playing a more direct style.
Either Jordie can use his big frame or he can't, I'm unsure at the moment because I'm not sure that's what he's been instructed to do or if he even wants to play that style. Sometimes he looks like he's doing it, then other time he looks as awkward as he used to look at fullback.
I not convinced Jordie was bad as some indicated lest year anyway.. Funnily enough the style he playing doesn't seem to be any more direct, more what's impressed me is his finding people in space to to pass to. He is part of setting up tries etc. Also looks to be talking/ setting defence a fair bit. I thought that was generally a strength of his was being busy on defence, and him and Billy Proctor especially for Canes I thought went well.
Not sure what is coaching etc, or Jordie just maore relaxed in style of Leinster, I not really smart enough to work all that out.
Tend to think maybe @Kiwiwomble has a point, I do suspect players do often gain a bit playing in different style of rugby.Are they giving him more space and time to do his thing?
No not seemingly. He hasn't had more room that I noticed, just seems to be timing runs well, or what I have noticed seems real busy, but he finding players running off him, or finding them in space. Can't really put finger on one thing.
It’s because he doesn’t have an epileptic ferret playing inside him. Jordie has been brilliant at Leinster because he’s playing in a functional backline. Get McKenzie and Barrett out of 10 and someone who can actually engage the line AND pass and he’ll flourish, just as he in Leinster.
You mean a 10 that can make space for his outsides, instead of taking it all for himself?
https://media4.giphy.com/media/8b9Xax6L7qtAkAimGm/200w.webp@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
You mean a 10 that can make space for his outsides, instead of taking it all for himself?
https://media4.giphy.com/media/8b9Xax6L7qtAkAimGm/200w.webpget those muddafekkin handbrakes off the muddafekkin plane!
