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  • M Machpants

    @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

    Fabian Holland looking every inch an All Black in waiting.

    Only this match, not been that amazing up until now. More games the same required, one offs don't cut it, imo

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    @Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:

    @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

    Fabian Holland looking every inch an All Black in waiting.

    Only this match, not been that amazing up until now. More games the same required, one offs don't cut it, imo

    Yeah I wouldn't say it was even close to an AB performance. Just wasn't anonymous like previous games.

    Sparky is obviously still on a bender from Friday night.

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    • BonesB Bones

      @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

      Fihaki looked good last night ...

      Apart from when he waved in the first try? Stephenson would have got crucified for that.

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      @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

      @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

      Fihaki looked good last night ...

      Apart from when he waved in the first try? Stephenson would have got crucified for that.

      He's not the greatest of defenders that's for sure.

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        @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

        @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

        Fihaki looked good last night ...

        Apart from when he waved in the first try? Stephenson would have got crucified for that.

        He's not the greatest of defenders that's for sure.

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        @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

        @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

        @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

        Fihaki looked good last night ...

        Apart from when he waved in the first try? Stephenson would have got crucified for that.

        He's not the greatest of defenders that's for sure.

        I see nothing in his game that isn't done the same or better by the likes of ENS, Lam, Tangitau, Stephenson....

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        • BonesB Bones

          @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

          @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

          Fihaki looked good last night ...

          Apart from when he waved in the first try? Stephenson would have got crucified for that.

          He's not the greatest of defenders that's for sure.

          I see nothing in his game that isn't done the same or better by the likes of ENS, Lam, Tangitau, Stephenson....

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          @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

          @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

          @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

          Fihaki looked good last night ...

          Apart from when he waved in the first try? Stephenson would have got crucified for that.

          He's not the greatest of defenders that's for sure.

          I see nothing in his game that isn't done the same or better by the likes of ENS, Lam, Tangitau, Stephenson....

          Neither, and as you pointed out, he's an awful defender currently. The try you pointed out and his miss on Miracle Fa'ilagi in the Moana Pasifika game being 2 examples of that.

          But yeah, if it were Shaun Stevenson, every man and his dog would be out in full force letting everyone know about it.

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            Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

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            • boobooB booboo

              Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

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              @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

              Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

              Didn't he hit a purple patch about this point last season? I thought he was better last year, but might not be as noticeable when you're getting beat.

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              • M Machpants

                @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                Fabian Holland looking every inch an All Black in waiting.

                Only this match, not been that amazing up until now. More games the same required, one offs don't cut it, imo

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                Dan54
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                #1482

                @Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:

                @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                Fabian Holland looking every inch an All Black in waiting.

                Only this match, not been that amazing up until now. More games the same required, one offs don't cut it, imo

                @Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:

                @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                Fabian Holland looking every inch an All Black in waiting.

                Only this match, not been that amazing up until now. More games the same required, one offs don't cut it, imo

                I think he's looked pretty good all season, except maybe quiet last week.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

                  Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

                  Didn't he hit a purple patch about this point last season? I thought he was better last year, but might not be as noticeable when you're getting beat.

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                  booboo
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                  #1483

                  @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

                  Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

                  Didn't he hit a purple patch about this point last season? I thought he was better last year, but might not be as noticeable when you're getting beat.

                  Couldn't tell you. Didn't notice him.

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                  • boobooB booboo

                    Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

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                    #1484

                    @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

                    Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

                    Setting the bar low for him then. He's 24, if he was going to make it I'd expect him to show more by now. He's got zero X factor

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                      About the only thing that Fihaki can do better than any other winger in NZ is 50+ metre kicks at goal. Says it all really.

                      Luckily for him, he is in the right colours to get the benefit of the doubt over wingers that are actually better than him in NZ.

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                        Quite interesting to go back and look at previous threads. At this stage last season, people had Iose and Ioane on course for the ABs, and there were no mentions for Sititi. Hardly a mention yet of Darry, Ratima or Tosi.

                        It is probably the form over the next two months that will truly decide the ABs squad. If the likes of Moananu, Kirifi, Parker etc. burn out, they will not be there.

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                        • Landers92L Landers92

                          About the only thing that Fihaki can do better than any other winger in NZ is 50+ metre kicks at goal. Says it all really.

                          Luckily for him, he is in the right colours to get the benefit of the doubt over wingers that are actually better than him in NZ.

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                          @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:

                          About the only thing that Fihaki can do better than any other winger in NZ is 50+ metre kicks at goal. Says it all really.

                          Luckily for him, he is in the right colours to get the benefit of the doubt over wingers that are actually better than him in NZ.

                          A good skill to have but Isn't Stevenson considered a winger as well (at higher level anyway)? I won't be a smartarse and mention Jordie ..

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                          • F frugby

                            Quite interesting to go back and look at previous threads. At this stage last season, people had Iose and Ioane on course for the ABs, and there were no mentions for Sititi. Hardly a mention yet of Darry, Ratima or Tosi.

                            It is probably the form over the next two months that will truly decide the ABs squad. If the likes of Moananu, Kirifi, Parker etc. burn out, they will not be there.

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                            @frugby said in All Blacks 2025:

                            Quite interesting to go back and look at previous threads. At this stage last season, people had Iose and Ioane on course for the ABs, and there were no mentions for Sititi.

                            Sititi only first started for the Chiefs about this time last year, so that is not surprising. I agree that the backend of SR will be more important for any newbie to be in with a chance of AB selection.

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                            • BovidaeB Bovidae

                              @frugby said in All Blacks 2025:

                              Quite interesting to go back and look at previous threads. At this stage last season, people had Iose and Ioane on course for the ABs, and there were no mentions for Sititi.

                              Sititi only first started for the Chiefs about this time last year, so that is not surprising. I agree that the backend of SR will be more important for any newbie to be in with a chance of AB selection.

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                              frugby
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                              @Bovidae Always has and always will be. Kirifi I suspect ends up being a great example of this. Assuming they see Savea & Lakai as opensides, he is going to be up against it against Blackadder and Papalii, and if the Canes form does not turn around he probably won't get to push his case in the finals.

                              FWIW, I would select him at this stage, but also, you compare him to say Tizzano or McReight, who are noted for their defensive capabilities/breakdown work, and I feel like they both offer more in possession than Kirifi. Lakai and Savea present a better all-round package.

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                                cgrant
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                                Probable Razor's pick :

                                Williams
                                Taylor
                                Lomax
                                Barrett
                                Vai'i
                                Blackadder
                                Savea
                                Sititi
                                Roigard
                                B. Barrett
                                Clarke
                                J. Barrett
                                Ioane
                                Reece
                                Jordan

                                Taukei'aho
                                De Groot
                                Newell
                                Tuipolutu
                                Finau
                                Hotham
                                ALB
                                MacKenzie

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                                  Probable Razor's pick :

                                  Williams
                                  Taylor
                                  Lomax
                                  Barrett
                                  Vai'i
                                  Blackadder
                                  Savea
                                  Sititi
                                  Roigard
                                  B. Barrett
                                  Clarke
                                  J. Barrett
                                  Ioane
                                  Reece
                                  Jordan

                                  Taukei'aho
                                  De Groot
                                  Newell
                                  Tuipolutu
                                  Finau
                                  Hotham
                                  ALB
                                  MacKenzie

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                                  @cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  Probable Razor's pick :

                                  Williams
                                  Taylor
                                  Lomax
                                  Barrett
                                  Vai'i
                                  Blackadder
                                  Savea
                                  Sititi
                                  Roigard
                                  B. Barrett
                                  Clarke
                                  J. Barrett
                                  Ioane
                                  Reece
                                  Jordan

                                  Taukei'aho
                                  De Groot
                                  Newell
                                  Tuipolutu
                                  Finau
                                  Hotham
                                  ALB
                                  MacKenzie

                                  Finau has been the best six by a country mile. Would be outrageous to pick a seven ahead of him.

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                                    Bovidae
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                                    I'd like to see (6) Finau, (7) Savea and (8) Sititi.

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                                    • K KiwiInLondon

                                      @cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      Probable Razor's pick :

                                      Williams
                                      Taylor
                                      Lomax
                                      Barrett
                                      Vai'i
                                      Blackadder
                                      Savea
                                      Sititi
                                      Roigard
                                      B. Barrett
                                      Clarke
                                      J. Barrett
                                      Ioane
                                      Reece
                                      Jordan

                                      Taukei'aho
                                      De Groot
                                      Newell
                                      Tuipolutu
                                      Finau
                                      Hotham
                                      ALB
                                      MacKenzie

                                      Finau has been the best six by a country mile. Would be outrageous to pick a seven ahead of him.

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                                      @KiwiInLondon
                                      I think this is the team Razor will select, but this is not the team I would like to see for the June series. My team (but it won't happen) :

                                      Williams
                                      Taylor
                                      Lomax
                                      Barrett
                                      Vai'i
                                      Finau
                                      Savea
                                      Sititi
                                      Roigard
                                      MacKenzie
                                      Clarke
                                      Barrett
                                      Ioane
                                      Jordan
                                      Love

                                      Taukei'aho
                                      De Groot
                                      Tosi
                                      Beehre
                                      Lakai
                                      Hotham
                                      Barrett
                                      Tavatavanawai

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                                        Crazy Horse
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                                        Jordie hasn't had much of a break has he? If not, I wonder if that will impact his effectiveness and or availability for selection?

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                                        • C cgrant

                                          @KiwiInLondon
                                          I think this is the team Razor will select, but this is not the team I would like to see for the June series. My team (but it won't happen) :

                                          Williams
                                          Taylor
                                          Lomax
                                          Barrett
                                          Vai'i
                                          Finau
                                          Savea
                                          Sititi
                                          Roigard
                                          MacKenzie
                                          Clarke
                                          Barrett
                                          Ioane
                                          Jordan
                                          Love

                                          Taukei'aho
                                          De Groot
                                          Tosi
                                          Beehre
                                          Lakai
                                          Hotham
                                          Barrett
                                          Tavatavanawai

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                                          @cgrant not so sure about Beehre and Lakai. Little issue with the rest.

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