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  • M Machpants

    @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

    Fabian Holland looking every inch an All Black in waiting.

    Only this match, not been that amazing up until now. More games the same required, one offs don't cut it, imo

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    @Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:

    @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

    Fabian Holland looking every inch an All Black in waiting.

    Only this match, not been that amazing up until now. More games the same required, one offs don't cut it, imo

    @Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:

    @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

    Fabian Holland looking every inch an All Black in waiting.

    Only this match, not been that amazing up until now. More games the same required, one offs don't cut it, imo

    I think he's looked pretty good all season, except maybe quiet last week.

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    • BonesB Bones

      @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

      Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

      Didn't he hit a purple patch about this point last season? I thought he was better last year, but might not be as noticeable when you're getting beat.

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      #1483

      @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

      @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

      Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

      Didn't he hit a purple patch about this point last season? I thought he was better last year, but might not be as noticeable when you're getting beat.

      Couldn't tell you. Didn't notice him.

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      • boobooB booboo

        Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

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        #1484

        @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

        Hey, I'm not advocating for him. As you say there's plenty on front of him. I just noticed he did some good things. Something I've not noticed previously.

        Setting the bar low for him then. He's 24, if he was going to make it I'd expect him to show more by now. He's got zero X factor

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        • Landers92L Do not disturb
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          About the only thing that Fihaki can do better than any other winger in NZ is 50+ metre kicks at goal. Says it all really.

          Luckily for him, he is in the right colours to get the benefit of the doubt over wingers that are actually better than him in NZ.

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            frugby
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            Quite interesting to go back and look at previous threads. At this stage last season, people had Iose and Ioane on course for the ABs, and there were no mentions for Sititi. Hardly a mention yet of Darry, Ratima or Tosi.

            It is probably the form over the next two months that will truly decide the ABs squad. If the likes of Moananu, Kirifi, Parker etc. burn out, they will not be there.

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            • Landers92L Landers92

              About the only thing that Fihaki can do better than any other winger in NZ is 50+ metre kicks at goal. Says it all really.

              Luckily for him, he is in the right colours to get the benefit of the doubt over wingers that are actually better than him in NZ.

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              nostrildamus
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              @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:

              About the only thing that Fihaki can do better than any other winger in NZ is 50+ metre kicks at goal. Says it all really.

              Luckily for him, he is in the right colours to get the benefit of the doubt over wingers that are actually better than him in NZ.

              A good skill to have but Isn't Stevenson considered a winger as well (at higher level anyway)? I won't be a smartarse and mention Jordie ..

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              • F frugby

                Quite interesting to go back and look at previous threads. At this stage last season, people had Iose and Ioane on course for the ABs, and there were no mentions for Sititi. Hardly a mention yet of Darry, Ratima or Tosi.

                It is probably the form over the next two months that will truly decide the ABs squad. If the likes of Moananu, Kirifi, Parker etc. burn out, they will not be there.

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                @frugby said in All Blacks 2025:

                Quite interesting to go back and look at previous threads. At this stage last season, people had Iose and Ioane on course for the ABs, and there were no mentions for Sititi.

                Sititi only first started for the Chiefs about this time last year, so that is not surprising. I agree that the backend of SR will be more important for any newbie to be in with a chance of AB selection.

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                • BovidaeB Bovidae

                  @frugby said in All Blacks 2025:

                  Quite interesting to go back and look at previous threads. At this stage last season, people had Iose and Ioane on course for the ABs, and there were no mentions for Sititi.

                  Sititi only first started for the Chiefs about this time last year, so that is not surprising. I agree that the backend of SR will be more important for any newbie to be in with a chance of AB selection.

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                  @Bovidae Always has and always will be. Kirifi I suspect ends up being a great example of this. Assuming they see Savea & Lakai as opensides, he is going to be up against it against Blackadder and Papalii, and if the Canes form does not turn around he probably won't get to push his case in the finals.

                  FWIW, I would select him at this stage, but also, you compare him to say Tizzano or McReight, who are noted for their defensive capabilities/breakdown work, and I feel like they both offer more in possession than Kirifi. Lakai and Savea present a better all-round package.

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                    cgrant
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                    Probable Razor's pick :

                    Williams
                    Taylor
                    Lomax
                    Barrett
                    Vai'i
                    Blackadder
                    Savea
                    Sititi
                    Roigard
                    B. Barrett
                    Clarke
                    J. Barrett
                    Ioane
                    Reece
                    Jordan

                    Taukei'aho
                    De Groot
                    Newell
                    Tuipolutu
                    Finau
                    Hotham
                    ALB
                    MacKenzie

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                    • C cgrant

                      Probable Razor's pick :

                      Williams
                      Taylor
                      Lomax
                      Barrett
                      Vai'i
                      Blackadder
                      Savea
                      Sititi
                      Roigard
                      B. Barrett
                      Clarke
                      J. Barrett
                      Ioane
                      Reece
                      Jordan

                      Taukei'aho
                      De Groot
                      Newell
                      Tuipolutu
                      Finau
                      Hotham
                      ALB
                      MacKenzie

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                      KiwiInLondon
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                      @cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

                      Probable Razor's pick :

                      Williams
                      Taylor
                      Lomax
                      Barrett
                      Vai'i
                      Blackadder
                      Savea
                      Sititi
                      Roigard
                      B. Barrett
                      Clarke
                      J. Barrett
                      Ioane
                      Reece
                      Jordan

                      Taukei'aho
                      De Groot
                      Newell
                      Tuipolutu
                      Finau
                      Hotham
                      ALB
                      MacKenzie

                      Finau has been the best six by a country mile. Would be outrageous to pick a seven ahead of him.

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                        Bovidae
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                        #1492

                        I'd like to see (6) Finau, (7) Savea and (8) Sititi.

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                        • K KiwiInLondon

                          @cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

                          Probable Razor's pick :

                          Williams
                          Taylor
                          Lomax
                          Barrett
                          Vai'i
                          Blackadder
                          Savea
                          Sititi
                          Roigard
                          B. Barrett
                          Clarke
                          J. Barrett
                          Ioane
                          Reece
                          Jordan

                          Taukei'aho
                          De Groot
                          Newell
                          Tuipolutu
                          Finau
                          Hotham
                          ALB
                          MacKenzie

                          Finau has been the best six by a country mile. Would be outrageous to pick a seven ahead of him.

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                          @KiwiInLondon
                          I think this is the team Razor will select, but this is not the team I would like to see for the June series. My team (but it won't happen) :

                          Williams
                          Taylor
                          Lomax
                          Barrett
                          Vai'i
                          Finau
                          Savea
                          Sititi
                          Roigard
                          MacKenzie
                          Clarke
                          Barrett
                          Ioane
                          Jordan
                          Love

                          Taukei'aho
                          De Groot
                          Tosi
                          Beehre
                          Lakai
                          Hotham
                          Barrett
                          Tavatavanawai

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                            Crazy Horse
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                            #1494

                            Jordie hasn't had much of a break has he? If not, I wonder if that will impact his effectiveness and or availability for selection?

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                            • C cgrant

                              @KiwiInLondon
                              I think this is the team Razor will select, but this is not the team I would like to see for the June series. My team (but it won't happen) :

                              Williams
                              Taylor
                              Lomax
                              Barrett
                              Vai'i
                              Finau
                              Savea
                              Sititi
                              Roigard
                              MacKenzie
                              Clarke
                              Barrett
                              Ioane
                              Jordan
                              Love

                              Taukei'aho
                              De Groot
                              Tosi
                              Beehre
                              Lakai
                              Hotham
                              Barrett
                              Tavatavanawai

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                              booboo
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                              #1495

                              @cgrant not so sure about Beehre and Lakai. Little issue with the rest.

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                              • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                Jordie hasn't had much of a break has he? If not, I wonder if that will impact his effectiveness and or availability for selection?

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                                sparky
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                                #1496

                                @Crazy-Horse Jordie was Man of the Match for Leinster yesterday in the big European Cup QF win against Glasgow. He's not be used every game so he's had some rest time. He will be available for the AB tests and, if fit will be, the starting 12.

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                                • C cgrant

                                  @KiwiInLondon
                                  I think this is the team Razor will select, but this is not the team I would like to see for the June series. My team (but it won't happen) :

                                  Williams
                                  Taylor
                                  Lomax
                                  Barrett
                                  Vai'i
                                  Finau
                                  Savea
                                  Sititi
                                  Roigard
                                  MacKenzie
                                  Clarke
                                  Barrett
                                  Ioane
                                  Jordan
                                  Love

                                  Taukei'aho
                                  De Groot
                                  Tosi
                                  Beehre
                                  Lakai
                                  Hotham
                                  Barrett
                                  Tavatavanawai

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                                  sparky
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                                  #1497

                                  @cgrant Starting 15 looks good. I wouldn't be using Beehre, but no real issues with the rest.

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                                    KiwiMurph
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                                    #1498

                                    Pleased to see Beehre getting some recognition - I could see him leapfrogging Darry over the next 12 months

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                                      DurryMexted
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                                      The Media and hype around Jordie in the champions cup is insane, they absolutely love the guy and he seems to be lighting it up over there. To be fair that leinster team is absolutely stacked so makes his job easy but seems to have done him a world of good in a new environment

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                                      • sparkyS sparky

                                        @cgrant Starting 15 looks good. I wouldn't be using Beehre, but no real issues with the rest.

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                                        @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @cgrant Starting 15 looks good. I wouldn't be using Beehre, but no real issues with the rest.

                                        Based on form so far in SR I would.

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                                        • D DurryMexted

                                          The Media and hype around Jordie in the champions cup is insane, they absolutely love the guy and he seems to be lighting it up over there. To be fair that leinster team is absolutely stacked so makes his job easy but seems to have done him a world of good in a new environment

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                                          @DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          The Media and hype around Jordie in the champions cup is insane, they absolutely love the guy and he seems to be lighting it up over there. To be fair that leinster team is absolutely stacked so makes his job easy but seems to have done him a world of good in a new environment

                                          The Barrett's have a weird cult of personality around them. It's hard to understand. It caused BB to rated his entire career on a 2 year purple patch, JB's notable error prone game to be mostly overlooked in a way other player's don't, and Scooter's bad form to be forgotten after one decent game.

                                          That's some decent Cantab/Canes bait. 😉

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