All Blacks 2025
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It's almost as if Holland has been inconsistent because the Highlanders picked an illogical squad, forcing them to overplay him. I'd like to see some of those stats adjusted for possession too.
Sometimes Highlanders fans desperately over-rate players, but Fabian Holland isn't one of them. Holland's best game is way better than anything Beehre can deliver, and time will show that.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones If Patty T hits form or Sam Darry gets fit, I'd bump them above Holland, but I'm intrigued to see how he'd go at Test level.
Probably I'd like eventually to see
12 Quinn Tupaea
14 Will Jordan
15 Jordie BarrettBut Jordie's playing well at provincial level at 12 and Will Jordan at 15 so I'd leave them there for now.
We sure Holland isn’t just the lock version of Tom Christie with a better PR team?
Holland vs Behree
Minutes
Holland: 647
Behree: 578Carries
Holland: 51
Behree: 74Metres
Holland:84
Behree: 187Post contact metres
Holland: 95
Behree: 153Defenders beaten
Holland: 2
Behree:11Tackles:
Holland: 143 (88%)
Behree: 110 (90%)@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones If Patty T hits form or Sam Darry gets fit, I'd bump them above Holland, but I'm intrigued to see how he'd go at Test level.
Probably I'd like eventually to see
12 Quinn Tupaea
14 Will Jordan
15 Jordie BarrettBut Jordie's playing well at provincial level at 12 and Will Jordan at 15 so I'd leave them there for now.
We sure Holland isn’t just the lock version of Tom Christie with a better PR team?
Holland vs Behree
Minutes
Holland: 647
Behree: 578Carries
Holland: 51
Behree: 74Metres
Holland:84
Behree: 187Post contact metres
Holland: 95
Behree: 153Defenders beaten
Holland: 2
Behree:11Tackles:
Holland: 143 (88%)
Behree: 110 (90%)Where are you getting these stats from?
Opta has Holland at 207m from 51 carries. I'd also note his 12 dominant tackles. Two different styles of players, who as it has been pointed out, probably shouldn't be competing for the same spot.
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It's almost as if Holland has been inconsistent because the Highlanders picked an illogical squad, forcing them to overplay him. I'd like to see some of those stats adjusted for possession too.
Sometimes Highlanders fans desperately over-rate players, but Fabian Holland isn't one of them. Holland's best game is way better than anything Beehre can deliver, and time will show that.
@frugby i think you will find Beehre is a more traditional tight lock who will do all the hard yards close in
Based on the stats posted its pretty impressive
Once Tuipulotu moves on Josh will find himself in the 4 jersey imo
I have been told by a few sources that he is excptionally strong in the scrummaging department
Hes taken his opportunity in Sam Darry’s absence
Holland should be an All Black this year ,but it would surprise me if Beehre becomes an All Black in the next couple of years -
@frugby i think you will find Beehre is a more traditional tight lock who will do all the hard yards close in
Based on the stats posted its pretty impressive
Once Tuipulotu moves on Josh will find himself in the 4 jersey imo
I have been told by a few sources that he is excptionally strong in the scrummaging department
Hes taken his opportunity in Sam Darry’s absence
Holland should be an All Black this year ,but it would surprise me if Beehre becomes an All Black in the next couple of years@Steven-Harris I remember almost all of us agreeing that Lock was going to be a problem position after Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick moved on. Great to see so much talent coming through in the Engine Room.
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This is what I've currently got pencilled in for the First Test, but it will be interesting to see how players go at the business end of the season.
- T. Williams
- C. Taylor
- T. Lomax
- S. Barrett (c)
- T. Vai'i
- S. Finau
- A. Savea
- W. Sititi
- C. Ratima
- DMac
- C. Clarke
- J. Barrett
- B. Proctor
- E. Narawa
- W.Jordan
- S. Taukei'aho
- E. De Groot
- F. Newell
- F. Holland
- P. Lakai
- C. Roigard
- R. Love
- Q. Tupaea
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
This is what I've currently got pencilled in for the First Test, but it will be interesting to see how players go at the business end of the season.
- T. Williams
- C. Taylor
- T. Lomax
- S. Barrett (c)
- T. Vai'i
- S.Parker
- A. Savea
- W. Sititi
- C. Ratima
- DMac
- C. Clarke
- J. Barrett
- B. Proctor
- C.Tangitau
- W.Jordan
Fixed.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
This is what I've currently got pencilled in for the First Test, but it will be interesting to see how players go at the business end of the season.
- T. Williams
- C. Taylor
- T. Lomax
- S. Barrett (c)
- T. Vai'i
- S.Parker
- A. Savea
- W. Sititi
- C. Ratima
- DMac
- C. Clarke
- J. Barrett
- B. Proctor
- C.Tangitau
- W.Jordan
Fixed.
A polite no to both suggestions from me at the moment. I see those two as All Blacks XV players this year unless they improve a bit in these last few rounds of Super Rugby.
Caleb Tangitau has the pace, but I want to see him looking for work more and backing up performances by playing well week after week before I see him as an All Black. Emoni Narawa is all-class and deserves a run of two or three games to show what he can do in a Test jersey.
Simon Parker is definitely a long-term project and reminds me a lot of Scott Barrett in how he plays and as an athlete. Samipeni Finau has impressed when games are on the line a bit more. He's added lineout and defensive reliability to his obvious dynamism. He did well on the All Blacks EOYT last year.
Simon Parker is definitely one I'd be saying to "some people see you as an All Black now prove it at the business end of the season".
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
This is what I've currently got pencilled in for the First Test, but it will be interesting to see how players go at the business end of the season.
- T. Williams
- C. Taylor
- T. Lomax
- S. Barrett (c)
- T. Vai'i
- S.Parker
- A. Savea
- W. Sititi
- C. Ratima
- DMac
- C. Clarke
- J. Barrett
- B. Proctor
- C.Tangitau
- W.Jordan
Fixed.
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A polite no to both suggestions from me at the moment. I see those two as All Blacks XV players this year unless they improve a bit in these last few rounds of Super Rugby.
Caleb Tangitau has the pace, but I want to see him looking for work more and backing up performances by playing well week after week before I see him as an All Black. Emoni Narawa is all-class and deserves a run of two or three games to show what he can do in a Test jersey.
Simon Parker is definitely a long-term project and reminds me a lot of Scott Barrett in how he plays and as an athlete. Samipeni Finau has impressed when games are on the line a bit more. He's added lineout and defensive reliability to his obvious dynamism. He did well on the All Blacks EOYT last year.
Simon Parker is definitely one I'd be saying to "some people see you as an All Black now prove it at the business end of the season".
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
but I want to see him looking for work more and backing up performances by playing well week after week
Which he was doing prior to getting injured.
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones If Patty T hits form or Sam Darry gets fit, I'd bump them above Holland, but I'm intrigued to see how he'd go at Test level.
Probably I'd like eventually to see
12 Quinn Tupaea
14 Will Jordan
15 Jordie BarrettBut Jordie's playing well at provincial level at 12 and Will Jordan at 15 so I'd leave them there for now.
We sure Holland isn’t just the lock version of Tom Christie with a better PR team?
Holland vs Behree
Minutes
Holland: 647
Behree: 578Carries
Holland: 51
Behree: 74Metres
Holland:84
Behree: 187Post contact metres
Holland: 95
Behree: 153Defenders beaten
Holland: 2
Behree:11Tackles:
Holland: 143 (88%)
Behree: 110 (90%)Where are you getting these stats from?
Opta has Holland at 207m from 51 carries. I'd also note his 12 dominant tackles. Two different styles of players, who as it has been pointed out, probably shouldn't be competing for the same spot.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones If Patty T hits form or Sam Darry gets fit, I'd bump them above Holland, but I'm intrigued to see how he'd go at Test level.
Probably I'd like eventually to see
12 Quinn Tupaea
14 Will Jordan
15 Jordie BarrettBut Jordie's playing well at provincial level at 12 and Will Jordan at 15 so I'd leave them there for now.
We sure Holland isn’t just the lock version of Tom Christie with a better PR team?
Holland vs Behree
Minutes
Holland: 647
Behree: 578Carries
Holland: 51
Behree: 74Metres
Holland:84
Behree: 187Post contact metres
Holland: 95
Behree: 153Defenders beaten
Holland: 2
Behree:11Tackles:
Holland: 143 (88%)
Behree: 110 (90%)Where are you getting these stats from?
Opta has Holland at 207m from 51 carries. I'd also note his 12 dominant tackles. Two different styles of players, who as it has been pointed out, probably shouldn't be competing for the same spot.
RugbyPass but tbh I’m not entirely sure how accurate that is. What is Opta? Is it more accurate?
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@darylmitchell think Parker is just a bit too much like Sititi.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@darylmitchell think Parker is just a bit too much like Sititi.
In style or talent?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@darylmitchell think Parker is just a bit too much like Sititi.
In style or talent?
@Victor-Meldrew style
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@Victor-Meldrew style
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew style
Interesting, I see them as very different types of players. Not sure Parker has shown enough dynamism to make the All Blacks just yet. He'd be a weapon if he ran into contact like Finau.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew style
Interesting, I see them as very different types of players. Not sure Parker has shown enough dynamism to make the All Blacks just yet. He'd be a weapon if he ran into contact like Finau.
@Mr-Fish yeah he needs to add a bit of an edge to his game.
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Find it curious Brodie McAllister has hardly had a mention in this thread. Has been very strong for a good Chiefs side and was injury cover last year... has probably proved the selectors right for favouring him over Riccitelli.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Find it curious Brodie McAllister has hardly had a mention in this thread. Has been very strong for a good Chiefs side and was injury cover last year... has probably proved the selectors right for favouring him over Riccitelli.
Slightly older in the tooth but definitely a strong option.
Unless there are injuries though, Taylor, Taukei'aho and Aumua will definitely take all the berths available. Would be good to see McAlister and Moananu share duties for the ABs XV though.
