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All Blacks 2025

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  • nzzpN nzzp

    @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

    He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

    Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday

    remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.

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    #3787

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

    He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

    Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday

    remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.

    I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.

    We don't.

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    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

      @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

      @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

      @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

      He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

      Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday

      remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.

      I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.

      We don't.

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      canefan
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      #3788

      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:

      @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

      @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

      @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

      He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

      Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday

      remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.

      I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.

      We don't.

      And it's not like we're dominating our opposition. The coaches should question how successful their tactics are and modify them to improve

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        brodean
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        Isn't George Bell the new Dane Coles anyway?

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        • YeetyaahY Yeetyaah

          @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

          Flew down this morning

          A flight from Auckland to Tauranga should be a criminal offence.

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          @Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

          Flew down this morning

          A flight from Auckland to Tauranga should be a criminal offence.

          The traffic going into Tauranga in the morning is a total nightmare. Seriously, it's now a 3+ hour trip with traffic

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          • B brodean

            Isn't George Bell the new Dane Coles anyway?

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            @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

            Isn't George Bell the new Dane Coles anyway?

            surpassed by Mouanunu!

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              If Taele is selected then I will pine for Havili and Fihaki.

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              • BonesB Bones

                If Taele is selected then I will pine for Havili and Fihaki.

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                @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

                If Taele is selected then I will pine for Havili and Fihaki.

                Lol he's nowhere near selection.

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                • F Frank

                  @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

                  He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

                  Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday

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                  Nogusta
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                  #3794

                  @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

                  He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

                  Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday

                  Mark Telea playing for the Baas as well

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                  • YeetyaahY Yeetyaah

                    @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

                    Flew down this morning

                    A flight from Auckland to Tauranga should be a criminal offence.

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                    MN5
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                    #3795

                    @Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2025:

                    @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

                    Flew down this morning

                    A flight from Auckland to Tauranga should be a criminal offence.

                    Mark Lundy shoulda given that some thought between Wellington and Palmy

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                      pakman
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                      Bok Barbers’ loosies are Cane/Frizell/Sotutu.

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                      • P pakman

                        Bok Barbers’ loosies are Cane/Frizell/Sotutu.

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                        Trig
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                        #3797

                        @pakman and Peter O'Mahony

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                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                          @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                          @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

                          @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

                          He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

                          Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday

                          remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.

                          I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.

                          We don't.

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                          @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:

                          @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                          @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

                          @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

                          He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

                          Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday

                          remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.

                          I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.

                          We don't.

                          There was/is a world class player ahead of him in his position though and whilst said player and the former captain were almost certainties to play 80, there was an opting for versatile bench options that covered other positions.

                          Not saying it was right or wrong but we have seen this before when Henry was coach and there was a period where Rodders was the only specialist no8 in a squad and there was a versatile Masoe selected.

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                            @pakman and Peter O'Mahony

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                            @Trig said in All Blacks 2025:

                            @pakman and Peter O'Mahony

                            He’s just a shit Jerome Kaino.

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                            • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:

                              He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

                              Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday

                              remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.

                              I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.

                              We don't.

                              There was/is a world class player ahead of him in his position though and whilst said player and the former captain were almost certainties to play 80, there was an opting for versatile bench options that covered other positions.

                              Not saying it was right or wrong but we have seen this before when Henry was coach and there was a period where Rodders was the only specialist no8 in a squad and there was a versatile Masoe selected.

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                              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

                              there was an opting for versatile bench options that covered other positions.

                              And how did that work out? Didn't the ABs have some insane stat last year in the Rugby Championship where they couldn't score in the second half/last 20 minutes?

                              Here we go

                              But as has been the case throughout this tournament, the All Blacks fell into an incredible second-half hole and could only add three points to their halftime total.
                              
                              For the fifth straight match in this competition, New Zealand failed to add any points in the final quarter and yet again saw their discipline and finishing drop off considerably.
                              
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                                reprobate
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                                the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.

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                                • R reprobate

                                  the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.

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                                  canefan
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                                  @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.

                                  Sounds like EB

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                                  • N Nogusta

                                    @gt12 I think it's a weekend camp? Hoskins had a 9.30am flight down and a 12.30pm flight back. It involved a medical and chat with the coaches.
                                    So he WAS there albeit just for the morning.
                                    He's on a plane soon to South Africa for the Baabaas game. He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall

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                                    #3803

                                    @Nogusta Camp was Wednesday - Friday

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                                    • canefanC canefan

                                      @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.

                                      Sounds like EB

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                                      reprobate
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                                      @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.

                                      Sounds like EB

                                      Yep, absolutely - they are both in the volume game. Slightly different in that Blackadder makes more tackles and more carries. Dalton probably hits more rucks, but not by much. Blackadder slightly the better lineout target.
                                      We had McCaw pretty much in that role - while he's obviously of a slightly different standard - which matched up well with power from Kaino and ball running and lineout from Read. Our problem is that if we pair our workers with Savea, the other guy needs to be a power and lineout forward - which Sititi isn't, and Finau hasn't convinced.

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                                        Landers92
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                                        #3805

                                        Devan Flanders and Bailyn Sullivan were both at AB camp this week.

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                                          canefan
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                                          Hypothetically, we could resolve our lack of height by playing two taller locks. Barrett is the shorter one, and if he could convert to a decent 6 that would help fix our lineout problems

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