All Blacks 2025
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.
We don't.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.
We don't.
There was/is a world class player ahead of him in his position though and whilst said player and the former captain were almost certainties to play 80, there was an opting for versatile bench options that covered other positions.
Not saying it was right or wrong but we have seen this before when Henry was coach and there was a period where Rodders was the only specialist no8 in a squad and there was a versatile Masoe selected.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall
Suggesting he will not be selected on Monday
remember when coaches selected talented players and fixed their weaknesses? Dane Coles developed into a world class hooker with good coaching. We seem to just want to discard people who don't fit our mould at the moment. It's really frustrating.
I wouldn't mind the approach if we had a world class loose forward group that he was trying to break into.
We don't.
There was/is a world class player ahead of him in his position though and whilst said player and the former captain were almost certainties to play 80, there was an opting for versatile bench options that covered other positions.
Not saying it was right or wrong but we have seen this before when Henry was coach and there was a period where Rodders was the only specialist no8 in a squad and there was a versatile Masoe selected.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
there was an opting for versatile bench options that covered other positions.
And how did that work out? Didn't the ABs have some insane stat last year in the Rugby Championship where they couldn't score in the second half/last 20 minutes?
Here we go
But as has been the case throughout this tournament, the All Blacks fell into an incredible second-half hole and could only add three points to their halftime total. For the fifth straight match in this competition, New Zealand failed to add any points in the final quarter and yet again saw their discipline and finishing drop off considerably. -
the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.
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the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.
Sounds like EB
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@gt12 I think it's a weekend camp? Hoskins had a 9.30am flight down and a 12.30pm flight back. It involved a medical and chat with the coaches.
So he WAS there albeit just for the morning.
He's on a plane soon to South Africa for the Baabaas game. He's also gonna play for the ANZAC team as well against the Lions and hes been told to use these games as an opportunity to put himself in the frame for a recall@Nogusta Camp was Wednesday - Friday
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.
Sounds like EB
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.
Sounds like EB
Yep, absolutely - they are both in the volume game. Slightly different in that Blackadder makes more tackles and more carries. Dalton probably hits more rucks, but not by much. Blackadder slightly the better lineout target.
We had McCaw pretty much in that role - while he's obviously of a slightly different standard - which matched up well with power from Kaino and ball running and lineout from Read. Our problem is that if we pair our workers with Savea, the other guy needs to be a power and lineout forward - which Sititi isn't, and Finau hasn't convinced. -
Devan Flanders and Bailyn Sullivan were both at AB camp this week.
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@Landers92 I’m a big fan of Flanders and Parker would love to see them at 6 and 8 with someone like Ardie at 7 - just lacking a lot of experience then
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Hypothetically, we could resolve our lack of height by playing two taller locks. Barrett is the shorter one, and if he could convert to a decent 6 that would help fix our lineout problems
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Hypothetically, we could resolve our lack of height by playing two taller locks. Barrett is the shorter one, and if he could convert to a decent 6 that would help fix our lineout problems
I would rather see almost anyone play 6, including Vaai and Holland. If Barrett isn't a lock, he's not in the team.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
Devan Flanders and Bailyn Sullivan were both at AB camp this week.
A few of the new faces have definitely impressed in the camp. Whether they get picked or not, who knows but it’s a positive that so many have been able to get in front of the AB coaches for a closer look.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nogusta Camp was Wednesday - Friday
Oh right. Yea I didn't know any of that detail. Only that Hoskins was a FIFO on the Thursday.
Also heard that day that Jamie Jo is coaching the AB XVs.
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Papalii, Christie and McWhannell also at camp (from Papalii's insta) @Nogusta @Landers92 ?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
the numbers online are never consistently accurate, but to be honest they just don't matter anyway. Plenty of guys play bigger or smaller than they are. Dalton is a machine. An absolute fucking workhorse, but he's not a power runner, or a monster tackler, or a big lineout target - all of which is what we usually want from our 6.
Sounds like EB
Yep, absolutely - they are both in the volume game. Slightly different in that Blackadder makes more tackles and more carries. Dalton probably hits more rucks, but not by much. Blackadder slightly the better lineout target.
We had McCaw pretty much in that role - while he's obviously of a slightly different standard - which matched up well with power from Kaino and ball running and lineout from Read. Our problem is that if we pair our workers with Savea, the other guy needs to be a power and lineout forward - which Sititi isn't, and Finau hasn't convinced.Around the ground he may have been indifferent in that 2nd Irish test at 6 but Papali'i did take 5 lineouts in that game. He's actually a good lineout target but is never used there as a Blues 7
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Papalii, Christie and McWhannell also at camp (from Papalii's insta) @Nogusta @Landers92 ?
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Papalii, Christie and McWhannell also at camp (from Papalii's insta) @Nogusta @Landers92 ?
I have a few contacts mate but none as good as photo proof on insta!
Good to see the coaches including players like Mcwhannell, assuming he’s an AB XV member. Get them in the environment when you can, can only be beneficial.
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Around the ground he may have been indifferent in that 2nd Irish test at 6 but Papali'i did take 5 lineouts in that game. He's actually a good lineout target but is never used there as a Blues 7
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Around the ground he may have been indifferent in that 2nd Irish test at 6 but Papali'i did take 5 lineouts in that game. He's actually a good lineout target but is never used there as a Blues 7
He's not a dud, he's okay, in the Sititi, Blackadder, Jacobson, Lakai etc group though.
Not a Finau or Sotutu or Read.
