All Blacks 2025
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
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Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
I couldn't give a shit whether RM comes back, but I think you make a good point. We seem to have an identity crisis at 10. The solid role playing 10 is well out of fashion in NZ and we are losing those type of players overseas. As an example, I think Burke was a recent loss who was just starting to come good.
Harry Plummer
Yes, another one that would have been good to keep hold of. Jeez we could even say Gatland could be useful at the moment. The problem is, a lot of these guys don't even get a regular Super gig because coaches are looking for something different.
It wouldn't surprise me if Reihana makes way at the Saders for the young fella who got injured during the season. The young fella showed more of a running game and that seems to be valued.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
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Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
I couldn't give a shit whether RM comes back, but I think you make a good point. We seem to have an identity crisis at 10. The solid role playing 10 is well out of fashion in NZ and we are losing those type of players overseas. As an example, I think Burke was a recent loss who was just starting to come good.
Harry Plummer
Yes, another one that would have been good to keep hold of. Jeez we could even say Gatland could be useful at the moment. The problem is, a lot of these guys don't even get a regular Super gig because coaches are looking for something different.
It wouldn't surprise me if Reihana makes way at the Saders for the young fella who got injured during the season. The young fella showed more of a running game and that seems to be valued.
I reckon it's twofold, the most athletic and gifted of 10's who are too good to be left out of the starting side are immediately shifted to Fullback to accommodate their super clubs incumbent, and miss out on that crucial early development at 10, and then are forever considered fullbacks / hybrids (think McKenzie, Sullivan, Love et al.)
Secondly, if you look at the development and projectory of a lot of the more traditional 10's (Plummer, Black, West), it's not until their late 20's that they're truly realising their ability, and by then they've already signed off overseas. Essentially, re Gatland, you're right, in so much that our current opinion of him was when he was running the cutter in his early to mid 20's, and we write them off, since they are not ready, and then lament the loss once they finally mature into decent players.
That is why I was stoked to see Love, and Godfrey given opportunities this year at 10, and more traditional 10's such as Reihana given the chance to further develop and mature, rather than immediately move on to the next young 10 (granted all of which was forced by injuries).
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If Rugby Pod I just watched is right, Finlay Christie is off to Newcastle in Pommyland next year. So will help the slectors go past him for this season?
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I just don't get why an incredibly average, overseas-based, 31yr-old 10 at the fag-end of his career is considered key to the AB's success by the national coach
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
I just don't get why an incredibly average, overseas-based, 31yr-old 10 at the fag-end of his career is considered key to the AB's success by the national coach
It’s just as confusing as a blindside who had one storming game and a bunch of mediocre ones is seen as some kind of saviour.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
If Rugby Pod I just watched is right, Finlay Christie is off to Newcastle in Pommyland next year. So will help the slectors go past him for this season?
He might not want to play. He’ll be able to play for Scotland in a couple of years. If that’s his plan, he probably won’t want to restart the eligibility clock
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
He’ll be able to play for Scotland in a couple of years.
Where is @MN5? Not like him to not bring things like that to our attention.
@Higgins said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
He’ll be able to play for Scotland in a couple of years.
Where is @MN5? Not like him to not bring things like that to our attention.
He’s too Scottish for Scotland. They’ll have a good South African ready to play halfback instead of him.
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@Higgins said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
He’ll be able to play for Scotland in a couple of years.
Where is @MN5? Not like him to not bring things like that to our attention.
He’s too Scottish for Scotland. They’ll have a good South African ready to play halfback instead of him.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Higgins said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
He’ll be able to play for Scotland in a couple of years.
Where is @MN5? Not like him to not bring things like that to our attention.
He’s too Scottish for Scotland. They’ll have a good South African ready to play halfback instead of him.
I'm sure a fourth Tuipulotu will emerge from out of Melbourne.
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Thought this was cool
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For the 3rd halfback spot, I go for Kyle Preston.
Sounds like Parker will come in.
Bloody shame about Tangitau not been ready, so I'd call up Leroy Carter (or possibly have Carter as the 3rd halfback)@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
For the 3rd halfback spot, I go for Kyle Preston.
Sounds like Parker will come in.
Bloody shame about Tangitau not been ready, so I'd call up Leroy Carter (or possibly have Carter as the 3rd halfback)Do we have any evidence to suggest Carter is any good at halfback? I have only seen him play wing at any decent level. I can't even recall a cameo at 9 at NPC let alone Super.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
For the 3rd halfback spot, I go for Kyle Preston.
Sounds like Parker will come in.
Bloody shame about Tangitau not been ready, so I'd call up Leroy Carter (or possibly have Carter as the 3rd halfback)Do we have any evidence to suggest Carter is any good at halfback? I have only seen him play wing at any decent level. I can't even recall a cameo at 9 at NPC let alone Super.
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@Crazy-Horse
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Leroy Bert Carter (born 24 February 1999) is a New Zealand professional rugby union player who plays as a half-back for National Provincial Championship club Bay of Plenty and the New Zealand national sevens team.@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse
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Leroy Bert Carter (born 24 February 1999) is a New Zealand professional rugby union player who plays as a half-back for National Provincial Championship club Bay of Plenty and the New Zealand national sevens team.Every time I have seen him play NPC he has been on the wing.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
For the 3rd halfback spot, I go for Kyle Preston.
Sounds like Parker will come in.
Bloody shame about Tangitau not been ready, so I'd call up Leroy Carter (or possibly have Carter as the 3rd halfback)Do we have any evidence to suggest Carter is any good at halfback? I have only seen him play wing at any decent level. I can't even recall a cameo at 9 at NPC let alone Super.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
For the 3rd halfback spot, I go for Kyle Preston.
Sounds like Parker will come in.
Bloody shame about Tangitau not been ready, so I'd call up Leroy Carter (or possibly have Carter as the 3rd halfback)Do we have any evidence to suggest Carter is any good at halfback? I have only seen him play wing at any decent level. I can't even recall a cameo at 9 at NPC let alone Super.
Better halfback than wing, in my opinion.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse
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Leroy Bert Carter (born 24 February 1999) is a New Zealand professional rugby union player who plays as a half-back for National Provincial Championship club Bay of Plenty and the New Zealand national sevens team.Every time I have seen him play NPC he has been on the wing.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse
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Leroy Bert Carter (born 24 February 1999) is a New Zealand professional rugby union player who plays as a half-back for National Provincial Championship club Bay of Plenty and the New Zealand national sevens team.Every time I have seen him play NPC he has been on the wing.
Think it was 2023 he played a bit for BOP at halfback .
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There were 33 squad members named for French.
The addition of Darry seems quite straightforward.
Which means another body required.
If Lakai added, will it be an addition, or to replace, say, Kirifi?
Might still be another required.
They could add Havili, increasing midfielders to 7!
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse
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Leroy Bert Carter (born 24 February 1999) is a New Zealand professional rugby union player who plays as a half-back for National Provincial Championship club Bay of Plenty and the New Zealand national sevens team.Every time I have seen him play NPC he has been on the wing.
Think it was 2023 he played a bit for BOP at halfback .
@zedsdeadbaby
I remember him at Halfback off the bench for BoP when they smashed Manawatu in the Championship sem final at the Hangi Pit. If that wasn't his debut it would be one of his first few NPC games. That season was on the back of him being NZ U20 Halfback
