All Blacks v Argentina II
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
I recall that and IIRC the coaches persisted with Cody in an attempt to play him into form. With the benefit of hindsight I'm pleased they did because his form over the last few seasons has been phenomenal.
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@antipodean but that assumes he couldn't have been played into form for Canterbury without stinking up the bed for the All Blacks. Which might be the case, but obviously we'll never know.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
I understand Lord's selection. He's below Holland, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipolutu, Tupou Vaii (who is preferred as a 6 now anyway) and perhaps Sam Darry on the locking depth chart, but he's ahead of anyone else and Lock is a position where injuries are frequent.
He's an excellent lineout practitioner. Having him Test-ready and not tempted to disappear overseas is a big bonus.
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Lord at his best is probably the third-best lock New Zealand has right now (including Vaa'i in there). Unfortunately he hasn't been at his best for a number of years due to injury. With an extended run, he can hopefully regain some of that form and get him back into tip-top shape. A Holland/Lord combo with Vaa'i at 6 and Darry covering from the pine could be best in class come 2031.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
I understand Lord's selection. He's below Holland, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipolutu, Tupou Vaii (who is preferred as a 6 now anyway) and perhaps Sam Darry on the locking depth chart, but he's ahead of anyone else and Lock is a position where injuries are frequent.
He's an excellent lineout practitioner. Having him Test-ready and not tempted to disappear overseas is a big bonus.
Yeah that’s how I see it , just a case of next man up .And they might give holland a spell , he’s played a lot of minutes .
And getting experience into him won’t hurt long term .
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
He’s not a power lock. Would go well with Patty T, and to an extent Scooter.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@cgrant my eyes have been impressed with Beehre's carrying this season.
Beehre had some of the best attacking stats among the locks last season super season. Carrying, defenders beaten, and post contact metres were impressive.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@pakman
Power locks are not legions in NZ : IWL and PT are the only ones that come to my mind. Beehre is a grafter but not a powerful ball carrier. Gallagher has the physique but does not use it as he should do. Vakasiuola is a good prospect.Being up to snuff at TH lock is key to withstanding Boks scrum.
Patty T, after being poor technically for much of his career, came of age as a scrummager behind Renata under Cotter.
Scooter, who is a world class LH scrummager, has made good fist of moving to TH as required, a la Big Sam.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I can’t say I’ve noticed how Parker defends. Assumed solid, and neither a thumper nor a scragger. @Bovidae?
A little bit of all of the above, to be honest. I wouldn't say he regularly puts in big hits but he has smashed a few ball-carriers in the past. He isn't the lightest on his feet (not without a bit of time to build monetum) which mean he sometimes has to scrag players who are going around him.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....
Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....
Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything
You would have been much better served going with Vaai, rather than a clear and obvious example of Fozzie fucking up the obvious.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
I recall that and IIRC the coaches persisted with Cody in an attempt to play him into form. With the benefit of hindsight I'm pleased they did because his form over the last few seasons has been phenomenal.
Yep seems sometimes the coaches actually know what they dealing with.
I recall the Taylor is useless, too old etc etc from quite a few at the time.
Players have slumps inform , it's a fact, not everyone is on top of their game all the time. I remember early in 2015 there were quite a number suggesting McCaw was a spent force too, and coaches were only picking him as he was favourite. -
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
I’d put Will Jordan’s name down first but the rest is true. Amazing resurgence in form considering he looked cooked a few years back. Great effort to get the ton.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....
Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything
I know it is extremely unusual, but the fern was actually correct (perhaps not insightful because everyone knew he wasn't going well). Taylor was rightly called out here a few years back. That doesn't mean we can revise the history of his poor run of form and say that it didn't happen because he is good again now.
Anyway, awesome achievement to get to 100 tests.
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