All Blacks 2025
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
Scooter is Robertson's man and Robertson is Mark Robinson's man.
Can't see him being dropped.
I don't know if Razor is Robinson's man. I think Razor held his and NZR's feet to the fire and he caved in rather than run the risk of him running overseas
According to people like Joe Schmidt & Gilbert Enoka he very much was.
"It was shambolic....Robbo had made it quite clear that he backed Razor. That’s who he wanted, it was a matter of time and whenever he could, he put the boot into us. The group never felt supported at all from the CEO. It was challenging and Foz .. bore the brunt of a lot of it. It was embarrassing really when you saw it, someone in that position and the lack of support they gave the head coach".
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
Scooter is Robertson's man and Robertson is Mark Robinson's man.
Can't see him being dropped.
I don't know if Razor is Robinson's man. I think Razor held his and NZR's feet to the fire and he caved in rather than run the risk of him running overseas
According to people like Joe Schmidt & Gilbert Enoka he very much was.
"It was shambolic....Robbo had made it quite clear that he backed Razor. That’s who he wanted, it was a matter of time and whenever he could, he put the boot into us. The group never felt supported at all from the CEO. It was challenging and Foz .. bore the brunt of a lot of it. It was embarrassing really when you saw it, someone in that position and the lack of support they gave the head coach".
Thanks for clarifying. Coupled with Silverlake, the SRP COVID fiasco, Robinson won't be missed then.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
Scooter is Robertson's man and Robertson is Mark Robinson's man.
Can't see him being dropped.
I don't know if Razor is Robinson's man. I think Razor held his and NZR's feet to the fire and he caved in rather than run the risk of him running overseas
According to people like Joe Schmidt & Gilbert Enoka he very much was.
"It was shambolic....Robbo had made it quite clear that he backed Razor. That’s who he wanted, it was a matter of time and whenever he could, he put the boot into us. The group never felt supported at all from the CEO. It was challenging and Foz .. bore the brunt of a lot of it. It was embarrassing really when you saw it, someone in that position and the lack of support they gave the head coach".
Thanks for clarifying. Coupled with Silverlake, the SRP COVID fiasco, Robinson won't be missed then.
Not by the likes of Hansen, Enoka, Schmidt and Foster, no. If his departure opens the door to them coming back into the NZR fold, it will be a good thing.
Equally, with Robertson under pressure, it at least gives him some stability - which has to be a good thing.
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Fuck foster is a whinging fluffybunny
You were under pressure because you were doing a shit job, not because of some rubbish conspiracy
Razor deserved his chance, but now also deserves the same scrutiny as the failure before him
Happy he dropped Reece, great crusader but he's never been a good all black,
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Robertson is Mark Robinson's man.
Mark Robinson is out the door in a few months. Things could get very interesting if it goes downhill - a new CEO who didn't appoint Razor + David Kirk who didn't appoint Razor....
Let's hope the new CEO doesn't get all possessive and undermine the coach as he wasn't his man.
Then again, if Robertson continues to under-perform....
I do think he has underperformed. And i was pretty certain that he was going to do very well in the role.
He may still do but he hasnt been the coach i thought he would be so far.
I suppose the question would be where do we turn? Robertson was the outstanding candidate from super and the obvious choice to progress.
Who is the obvious successor.
I dont think its going to be an issue for us though on saturday night.
Backs to the wall, stung by defeat, huge game, at eden park. Its all set for a big performance from the men in black
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
I suppose the question would be where do we turn?
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Robertson was the outstanding candidate from super and the obvious choice to progress.
His fanbois in NZR convinced themselves a bloke with zero Test experience was the ideal head coach. We'll find out this Saturday if they still think it was a good move.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Fuck foster is a whinging fluffybunny
You were under pressure because you were doing a shit job, not because of some rubbish conspiracy
It's not Foster talking, whinging or pushing conspiracy theories - it's Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Joe Schmidt speaking out.
Razor deserved his chance, but now also deserves the same scrutiny as the failure before him
I doubt you'll see it from NZR if we lose on Saturday or lose the RC for a second year in a row - they are too invested in their choice.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Fuck foster is a whinging fluffybunny
You were under pressure because you were doing a shit job, not because of some rubbish conspiracy
It's not Foster talking, whinging or pushing conspiracy theories - it's Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Joe Schmidt speaking out.
Razor deserved his chance, but now also deserves the same scrutiny as the failure before him
I doubt you'll see it from NZR if we lose on Saturday or lose the RC for a second year in a row - they are too invested in their choice.
Aaron Smith too? It might explain why the players were so supportive of Fozzie throughout his tenure
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Is is undeniable that Razor is superlative in a play every week for 14 weeks, then have three weeks of knock out format.
However, the play every third week win [almost] every game current set up of ABs is very different in a number of significant aspects.
Is it any real surprise results to date are mixed? -
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
It's not Foster talking, whinging or pushing conspiracy theories - it's Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Joe Schmidt speaking out.
Apologies, I though the quotes came from Foster's book.
Where did they come from?Anyway it's still my opinion that he deserved to be under pressure because of poor results..
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Apologies, I though the quotes came from Foster's book.
Where did they come from?Foster's book, But as I pointed out, they aren't from Foster.
There're quotes from Joe Schmidt, Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Sam Whitelock and others. You know, the people who were actually there at the time.
Anyway it's still my opinion that he deserved to be under pressure because of poor results..
Which is a bit irrelevant to point I was making about Robertson getting the support he needs from NZR if he loses on Saturday
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
Was easier with Fozzie as he was only signed to 2 year deal to begin with.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I think Robertson is almost unsackable before the next RWC
NZR won't want to buy out his contract and the media/public seems a lot less critical than previous coaches. Coaches like Hansen and Henry coped more criticism with better results at the same stage
Most of his assistants are very sackable though
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Robertson made it clear he wanted the job when the pressure was on Foster. Right now, I don’t think there’s a ready replacement lined up, even if Robertson wasn’t tied to a longer contract.
In general, I’d prefer to give any coach a full World Cup cycle rather than just two years, though I can see the case for building a results threshold into the contract. Even then, how tough that threshold is to meet would depend a lot on the quality of the opposition.
