All Blacks 2025
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Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.
Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:
1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 Jordan@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.
Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:
1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 JordanFar too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad. Tuipulotu has about five good games for NZ in however many seasons he's played and while I'd love to see him back on the beach to add impact, it's a hail Mary play to expect him to pick him ahead of Vaa'i or even Barrett.
So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?
Norris is excellent in the loose but he's certainly the worst of the looseheads we have in the squad at scrum time and I know NZ wouldn't be playing SA again for the next match but given how much the scrum has been monstered lately, Norris is certainly not the answer.
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Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.
Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:
1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 Jordan -
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.
Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:
1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 JordanFar too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad. Tuipulotu has about five good games for NZ in however many seasons he's played and while I'd love to see him back on the beach to add impact, it's a hail Mary play to expect him to pick him ahead of Vaa'i or even Barrett.
So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?
Norris is excellent in the loose but he's certainly the worst of the looseheads we have in the squad at scrum time and I know NZ wouldn't be playing SA again for the next match but given how much the scrum has been monstered lately, Norris is certainly not the answer.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?
Yes, Sotutu is excellent. He was particularly so when the Blues beat the Chiefs in Hamilton this year.
The incumbents also need to be punished for some dreadful performances.
Tuipulotu has been excellent last two seasons. Vaai and Barrett need to be sent a message.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.
Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:
1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 JordanFar too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad. Tuipulotu has about five good games for NZ in however many seasons he's played and while I'd love to see him back on the beach to add impact, it's a hail Mary play to expect him to pick him ahead of Vaa'i or even Barrett.
So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?
Norris is excellent in the loose but he's certainly the worst of the looseheads we have in the squad at scrum time and I know NZ wouldn't be playing SA again for the next match but given how much the scrum has been monstered lately, Norris is certainly not the answer.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?
Yes, Sotutu is excellent. He was particularly so when the Blues beat the Chiefs in Hamilton this year.
The incumbents also need to be punished for some dreadful performances.
Tuipulotu has been excellent last two seasons. Vaai and Barrett need to be sent a message.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?
Yes, Sotutu is excellent. He was particularly so when the Blues beat the Chiefs in Hamilton this year.
The incumbents also need to be punished for some dreadful performances.
Tuipulotu has been excellent last two seasons. Vaai and Barrett need to be sent a message.
Well yeah, something has to happen.
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The vast majority of the Springboks side that were thumped 57-0 in 2017 were kept in the team and went on to win the RWC two years later.
More or less the same team that beat the Springboks last week ran out this week. Sometimes results swing one way or another. Fix the high ball game, fix the set piece and the All Blacks will be fine. Some of those things require personnel changes, som or them don't.
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Can anyone remember the All Blacks giving up before?
In nearly forty years of watching the team I can't.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Can anyone remember the All Blacks giving up before?
In nearly forty years of watching the team I can't.
No. I thought at 29-10 they would at least try to get the last score. Instead…capitulation.
Maybe they had no energy left
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It’s actually rage inducing just how pathetic that team was. How weak, stupid, and arrogant they are.
A hooker that doesn’t realise he can’t throw a ball into the lineout? What the fuck is he doing at training?
Props that’s can’t scrum against a threat they’ve known about for 8-10 years? I mean what do our props even do? Practice offloading all pre season? Why the fuck aren’t they bigger, stronger, and technically better?
Why the fuck are our locks, with the exception of Barrett, fucking bean poles? It’s all well and good being able to pass really nicely out the back, but put some muscle on and get some strength and put your fucking shoulder in? Does Va’ai just practice slapping and Holland has his head so far up his own Dutch PR hype arsehole?
Does Savea want to spend more time on social media fucking around than learn to clean a ruck and tackle a player without jumping in the second man and try to pull off a hero effort?
Can Christie, who has 20 odd caps and how many knows super rugby caps, learn to fucking pass and make a decision without fucking around?
Beauden? Is there any thing else to say?
Why is Jordie Barrett, who looks like a stretch out midget, still not packing on a few more kilos of muscle and working on what a 12 is supposed to do, which is bend the fucking line and make line breaks?
Can Proctor learn to tackle and open up a defense that isn’t a second rate Kiwi/Aussie super rugby side?
Wings can’t catch a fucking thing. Why is a midget like Carter, who got exposed so fucking terribly in the super rugby final in the air, selected?
Why the fuck can’t Jordan stop being an absolute bellend with everything that isn’t scoring tries?
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It’s actually rage inducing just how pathetic that team was. How weak, stupid, and arrogant they are.
A hooker that doesn’t realise he can’t throw a ball into the lineout? What the fuck is he doing at training?
Props that’s can’t scrum against a threat they’ve known about for 8-10 years? I mean what do our props even do? Practice offloading all pre season? Why the fuck aren’t they bigger, stronger, and technically better?
Why the fuck are our locks, with the exception of Barrett, fucking bean poles? It’s all well and good being able to pass really nicely out the back, but put some muscle on and get some strength and put your fucking shoulder in? Does Va’ai just practice slapping and Holland has his head so far up his own Dutch PR hype arsehole?
Does Savea want to spend more time on social media fucking around than learn to clean a ruck and tackle a player without jumping in the second man and try to pull off a hero effort?
Can Christie, who has 20 odd caps and how many knows super rugby caps, learn to fucking pass and make a decision without fucking around?
Beauden? Is there any thing else to say?
Why is Jordie Barrett, who looks like a stretch out midget, still not packing on a few more kilos of muscle and working on what a 12 is supposed to do, which is bend the fucking line and make line breaks?
Can Proctor learn to tackle and open up a defense that isn’t a second rate Kiwi/Aussie super rugby side?
Wings can’t catch a fucking thing. Why is a midget like Carter, who got exposed so fucking terribly in the super rugby final in the air, selected?
Why the fuck can’t Jordan stop being an absolute bellend with everything that isn’t scoring tries?
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.
Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:
1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 JordanFar too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad. Tuipulotu has about five good games for NZ in however many seasons he's played and while I'd love to see him back on the beach to add impact, it's a hail Mary play to expect him to pick him ahead of Vaa'i or even Barrett.
So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?
Norris is excellent in the loose but he's certainly the worst of the looseheads we have in the squad at scrum time and I know NZ wouldn't be playing SA again for the next match but given how much the scrum has been monstered lately, Norris is certainly not the answer.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
We lost last week and the rowdy consensus here seemed to be that all the Ass. Coaches except Ryan should be rolled.
Not just the assistants. All of them
Who would you bring in Duluth?
Not sure if Joe Schmidt (if it's true he can't work with current NZRFU) would come in, but he must be 1st choice.
Then Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter, others?@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
We lost last week and the rowdy consensus here seemed to be that all the Ass. Coaches except Ryan should be rolled.
Not just the assistants. All of them
Who would you bring in Duluth?
Not sure if Joe Schmidt (if it's true he can't work with current NZRFU) would come in, but he must be 1st choice.
Then Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter, others?Joseph, Brown and Rennie/Filippo. Schmidt as an advisor.
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@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
He gets a bit of shit on here, but when you look at the Chiefs and what makes the Chiefs click as a loose forward unit, it is Luke Jacobson as the common element.
He didn't play in the loss to the Blues and was clearly concussed in the final versus the Saders. When he was at 7, the balance was about right. When he was out, we lacked starch. It seems like the AB coaches haven't figured that - and many many other things - out yet.
Edit: This isn't to suggest that we need LJ, just to suggest that they aren't achieving balance.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
I didn't think it was a bad performance, personally.
Don't think the All Blacks had many issues in the forwards outside of the set-piece.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
He gets a bit of shit on here, but when you look at the Chiefs and what makes the Chiefs click as a loose forward unit, it is Luke Jacobson as the common element.
He didn't play in the loss to the Blues and was clearly concussed in the final versus the Saders. When he was at 7, the balance was about right. When he was out, we lacked starch. It seems like the AB coaches haven't figured that - and many many other things - out yet.
Edit: This isn't to suggest that we need LJ, just to suggest that they aren't achieving balance.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
I didn't think it was a bad performance, personally.
Don't think the All Blacks had many issues in the forwards outside of the set-piece.
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@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
All Kirifi does is pull his pants up to show off his massive thighs he doesn't have and bang his chest to impress the social media crowd with his 'passion'.
Surely we can move on from him now?
