All Blacks 2025
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It’s actually rage inducing just how pathetic that team was. How weak, stupid, and arrogant they are.
A hooker that doesn’t realise he can’t throw a ball into the lineout? What the fuck is he doing at training?
Props that’s can’t scrum against a threat they’ve known about for 8-10 years? I mean what do our props even do? Practice offloading all pre season? Why the fuck aren’t they bigger, stronger, and technically better?
Why the fuck are our locks, with the exception of Barrett, fucking bean poles? It’s all well and good being able to pass really nicely out the back, but put some muscle on and get some strength and put your fucking shoulder in? Does Va’ai just practice slapping and Holland has his head so far up his own Dutch PR hype arsehole?
Does Savea want to spend more time on social media fucking around than learn to clean a ruck and tackle a player without jumping in the second man and try to pull off a hero effort?
Can Christie, who has 20 odd caps and how many knows super rugby caps, learn to fucking pass and make a decision without fucking around?
Beauden? Is there any thing else to say?
Why is Jordie Barrett, who looks like a stretch out midget, still not packing on a few more kilos of muscle and working on what a 12 is supposed to do, which is bend the fucking line and make line breaks?
Can Proctor learn to tackle and open up a defense that isn’t a second rate Kiwi/Aussie super rugby side?
Wings can’t catch a fucking thing. Why is a midget like Carter, who got exposed so fucking terribly in the super rugby final in the air, selected?
Why the fuck can’t Jordan stop being an absolute bellend with everything that isn’t scoring tries?
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.
Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:
1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 JordanFar too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad. Tuipulotu has about five good games for NZ in however many seasons he's played and while I'd love to see him back on the beach to add impact, it's a hail Mary play to expect him to pick him ahead of Vaa'i or even Barrett.
So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?
Norris is excellent in the loose but he's certainly the worst of the looseheads we have in the squad at scrum time and I know NZ wouldn't be playing SA again for the next match but given how much the scrum has been monstered lately, Norris is certainly not the answer.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
We lost last week and the rowdy consensus here seemed to be that all the Ass. Coaches except Ryan should be rolled.
Not just the assistants. All of them
Who would you bring in Duluth?
Not sure if Joe Schmidt (if it's true he can't work with current NZRFU) would come in, but he must be 1st choice.
Then Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter, others?@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
We lost last week and the rowdy consensus here seemed to be that all the Ass. Coaches except Ryan should be rolled.
Not just the assistants. All of them
Who would you bring in Duluth?
Not sure if Joe Schmidt (if it's true he can't work with current NZRFU) would come in, but he must be 1st choice.
Then Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter, others?Joseph, Brown and Rennie/Filippo. Schmidt as an advisor.
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@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
He gets a bit of shit on here, but when you look at the Chiefs and what makes the Chiefs click as a loose forward unit, it is Luke Jacobson as the common element.
He didn't play in the loss to the Blues and was clearly concussed in the final versus the Saders. When he was at 7, the balance was about right. When he was out, we lacked starch. It seems like the AB coaches haven't figured that - and many many other things - out yet.
Edit: This isn't to suggest that we need LJ, just to suggest that they aren't achieving balance.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
I didn't think it was a bad performance, personally.
Don't think the All Blacks had many issues in the forwards outside of the set-piece.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
He gets a bit of shit on here, but when you look at the Chiefs and what makes the Chiefs click as a loose forward unit, it is Luke Jacobson as the common element.
He didn't play in the loss to the Blues and was clearly concussed in the final versus the Saders. When he was at 7, the balance was about right. When he was out, we lacked starch. It seems like the AB coaches haven't figured that - and many many other things - out yet.
Edit: This isn't to suggest that we need LJ, just to suggest that they aren't achieving balance.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad.
You'd reward Sititi's performance with another cap?
I didn't think it was a bad performance, personally.
Don't think the All Blacks had many issues in the forwards outside of the set-piece.
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@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
All Kirifi does is pull his pants up to show off his massive thighs he doesn't have and bang his chest to impress the social media crowd with his 'passion'.
Surely we can move on from him now?
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@Mr-Fish That was our worst ever loss, and our forwards were completely dominated in the 2nd half. Not consistent with reality.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish That was our worst ever loss, and our forwards were completely dominated in the 2nd half. Not consistent with reality.
Yeah doesn't get much worse than this.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
All Kirifi does is pull his pants up to show off his massive thighs he doesn't have and bang his chest to impress the social media crowd with his 'passion'.
Surely we can move on from him now?
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
All Kirifi does is pull his pants up to show off his massive thighs he doesn't have and bang his chest to impress the social media crowd with his 'passion'.
Surely we can move on from him now?
Yeah, not Samoan enough.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
All Kirifi does is pull his pants up to show off his massive thighs he doesn't have and bang his chest to impress the social media crowd with his 'passion'.
Surely we can move on from him now?
Yeah, not Samoan enough.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
All Kirifi does is pull his pants up to show off his massive thighs he doesn't have and bang his chest to impress the social media crowd with his 'passion'.
Surely we can move on from him now?
Yeah, not Samoan enough.
Agreed.
Lalomilo Lalomilo would be better.
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@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
Hold on, I'm not arguing for LJ - I'd have Papalii there too.
My point is that they still don't have balance and don't seem to be able to see how to reach it.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 Papalii is a vastly better player than Jacobson, who has failed every time he has played test rugby. Great player for the Chiefs, but crazy that he is in the squad. Much better than Kirifi though.
Hold on, I'm not arguing for LJ - I'd have Papalii there too.
My point is that they still don't have balance and don't seem to be able to see how to reach it.
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@Mr-Fish That was our worst ever loss, and our forwards were completely dominated in the 2nd half. Not consistent with reality.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish That was our worst ever loss, and our forwards were completely dominated in the 2nd half. Not consistent with reality.
We're NZ's forwards dominated outside of the set piece?
SA built a good lead, NZ didn't know how to respond and then when they got too far behind started getting far too loose (and frankly looked like they'd given up, which is a bigger concern). Throw in the missed line outs, the scrum penalties and the high ball issues, and that's why it was NZ's biggest ever loss.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish That was our worst ever loss, and our forwards were completely dominated in the 2nd half. Not consistent with reality.
We're NZ's forwards dominated outside of the set piece?
SA built a good lead, NZ didn't know how to respond and then when they got too far behind started getting far too loose (and frankly looked like they'd given up, which is a bigger concern). Throw in the missed line outs, the scrum penalties and the high ball issues, and that's why it was NZ's biggest ever loss.
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Both Jacobson and Dalton have plenty of experience and would be MUCH better options at 7 than Savea. I've said it before but it's absolutely insane that Dalton isn't our starting 7 after Cane, towards the end of Canes career Dalton was the better player. The anti Blues bias is hurting us big time.
Sititi should have been in the squad to learn off Sotutu and Savea as an 8 (if there was even room for him), not be thrown in the deep end at 6 in his first year. Now he's asked to play 8 again, and if he was told to put on weight as suggested by one poster here then it's not surprising he's lost his main attribute which was his dynamism. Injury hasn't helped either, but that's just braindead stuff from the coaches.
Blind fucking Freddy can see that starting both Savea and Sititi will never work in the modern game. But our coaches not only do that, but they put a player like Kirifi on the bench! This combo might work at Super level but at test level, not a fucking chance.
