All Blacks 2025
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Some hard lessons for Robertson and co and they would do well to listen to a few old heads. I’m an optimist (still a Warriors supporter since day 1 so know the ugly territory well), but I think there is a few things that can be changed immediately that will impact positively on the infield performance, but some other things that will take some time to flush away and stabilise.
Immediate changes:
[Broken record] We need a change at 10. So much happens there on both sides of the ball and Beaudie’s not doing the basics that have the team moving forward consistently.[Broken record 2] Loose forward mix - Sititi or Savea. One or the other, not both. It’s not so much a size issue but the way they play. It’s too same same. We need points of difference as well as the key roles being made. Look back to France as an example - Vaa’i, Ardie, CLW - three quite different players but can complement relative strengths. A 6 that has size, lineout abilit, skill in the wider channel but loves to hit rucks. An 8 that just tackles all day and hits rucks. No frills type. And Ardie at 7 who wants to get his hands on the ball and is excellent in support. If Savea is to be picked as the VC, Vaa’i, Savea, Parker could be an option. But Savea’s inconsistency along with Scooter’s is problematic. I’d take Jacobsen, Blackadder or even Papali’i to provide that point of difference.
Even when the Henry and Hansen teams had their downs, our leaders tended to still play well. Cody is probably our only leader that is playing well despite inconsistent results and other individual performances.
There are other individual selections here and there that can be argued could’ve made some difference (Clarke’s non-selection, Tosi not on the bench, Finau being persisted with, Reece and Narawa) but the above needs a reset/rethink for the on field to change but also signal change is occurring.
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I’d love Razor to just bite the bullet and chuck this backline out against the Wallabies (assuming Hotham is out injured again)
- Kyle Preston
- Ruben Love
- Leroy Carter
- Quinn Tupaea
- Leicester Fainga’anuku
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
Would like to see how Jordie would go at fullback.
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I’d love Razor to just bite the bullet and chuck this backline out against the Wallabies (assuming Hotham is out injured again)
13. Leicester Fainga’anuku
Based on what? At least Proctor's SR form demanded he be given an opportunity.
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With a forward pack of:
- Ethan De Groot
- Codie Taylor
- Pasilio Tosi
- Tupou Vaii
- Fabian Holland
- Peter Lakai
- Ardie Savea (c)
- Wallace Sititi
Three years out from the World Cup who gives a fuck if we have to go backwards to go forwards. Try shit out, get the young talent in for experience.
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
Peter Lakai
Ardie Savea (c)
Wallace SititiThis is a windup, surely?
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lol and people like you will keep supporting Razor and his poor “Simon Parker” selections lmfao. Let me guess you love the Barrett’s aswell smh
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
lol and people like you will keep supporting Razor and his poor “Simon Parker” selections lmfao. Let me guess you love the Barrett’s aswell smh
If you think three small loose forwards are well suited to Test rugby, you're better off posting on reddit.
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I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
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I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
@DurryMexted Savea believes in himself the way that one guy in social touch or flag football does — the selfish type who never passes, tries low-percentage trick moves he saw on YouTube and strolls back on defence. What this team needs is a tough-as-nails workhorse who’ll get stuck in and won’t hesitate to get in the ref’s ear — but no one like that exists right now.
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@DurryMexted Savea believes in himself the way that one guy in social touch or flag football does — the selfish type who never passes, tries low-percentage trick moves he saw on YouTube and strolls back on defence. What this team needs is a tough-as-nails workhorse who’ll get stuck in and won’t hesitate to get in the ref’s ear — but no one like that exists right now.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted Savea believes in himself the way that one guy in social touch or flag football does — the selfish type who never passes, tries low-percentage trick moves he saw on YouTube and strolls back on defence. What this team needs is a tough-as-nails workhorse who’ll get stuck in and won’t hesitate to get in the ref’s ear — but no one like that exists right now.
Sounds like you are describing Dalton to me. Huge tackle stats, has pace out wide when needed and a smart captain.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted Savea believes in himself the way that one guy in social touch or flag football does — the selfish type who never passes, tries low-percentage trick moves he saw on YouTube and strolls back on defence. What this team needs is a tough-as-nails workhorse who’ll get stuck in and won’t hesitate to get in the ref’s ear — but no one like that exists right now.
Sounds like you are describing Dalton to me. Huge tackle stats, has pace out wide when needed and a smart captain.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2025:
has pace out wide
love me some Dalts, but I reckon it's 'had'. He has not looked quick from what I've seen (noting I haven't watched as much as previous years)
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2025:
has pace out wide
love me some Dalts, but I reckon it's 'had'. He has not looked quick from what I've seen (noting I haven't watched as much as previous years)
He's not as fast as Savea, but he's still quick
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@ExiledHalfback said in All Blacks 2025:
I think Razor and Ryan need to get on the phone and apologize to Dalton Papali'i
Ryan is too much of a prick to do that. Smug little fluffybunny.
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2025:
@ExiledHalfback said in All Blacks 2025:
I think Razor and Ryan need to get on the phone and apologize to Dalton Papali'i
Ryan is too much of a prick to do that. Smug little fluffybunny.
I must admit, if the All Blacks were as impenetrable as the Cantabrian wagon circle we'd never leak a try.
I am, in fact, Cantabrian too.
But I agree there's a degree of arrogance about him which isn't good enough. He needs to go.
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Dave Rennie is probably the best coach that we could get. He did get some good results with a patchy Australian squad.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Dave Rennie is probably the best coach that we could get. He did get some good results with a patchy Australian squad.
Although his Oz reign wasn't wholly successful on the field I think that in Oz rugby circles he's well regarded for making systems changes to improve the game in the country, which have made if easier for Schmidt to come in (and thankfully Jones didn't completely throw them out).
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Do people actually think Finau or Parker are the future for the All Blacks at 6? Like come on they're like ghosts on the paddock
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Even though he’s more of a lock, a guy that I’ve always wanted to see get a crack is Naitoa Ah Kuoi. I know he’s been around the environment aswell.
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Even though he’s more of a lock, a guy that I’ve always wanted to see get a crack is Naitoa Ah Kuoi. I know he’s been around the environment aswell.
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
Even though he’s more of a lock, a guy that I’ve always wanted to see get a crack is Naitoa Ah Kuoi. I know he’s been around the environment aswell.
Are we only allowed to pick Chiefs players at 6? We've already tried 5 other Chiefs in the last year or so
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
Even though he’s more of a lock, a guy that I’ve always wanted to see get a crack is Naitoa Ah Kuoi. I know he’s been around the environment aswell.
Are we only allowed to pick Chiefs players at 6? We've already tried 5 other Chiefs in the last year or so
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
Even though he’s more of a lock, a guy that I’ve always wanted to see get a crack is Naitoa Ah Kuoi. I know he’s been around the environment aswell.
Are we only allowed to pick Chiefs players at 6? We've already tried 5 other Chiefs in the last year or so
Robertson does seem desperate to show he can unearth some sort of amazing unseen talent.
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
Even though he’s more of a lock, a guy that I’ve always wanted to see get a crack is Naitoa Ah Kuoi. I know he’s been around the environment aswell.
Are we only allowed to pick Chiefs players at 6? We've already tried 5 other Chiefs in the last year or so
@Duluth Fair point haha, that didn’t even cross my mind when thinking about players. They’ve got 3 Chiefs loosies + Vaii as the hybrid , but left the best one in Bay Of Plenty playing NPC
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
Would people take John Mitchell back as head coach
Funny as!
But you'd be right; he'd be a much better coach now than he was back then.
Lots and lots and lots of learnings.
Not learnings, journeys....
Heard him talkin about legacy, England and winning the women's RWC25. Still sounded full of shit
A journey? Travelling by train or plane?
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
Would people take John Mitchell back as head coach
Funny as!
But you'd be right; he'd be a much better coach now than he was back then.
Lots and lots and lots of learnings.
Not learnings, journeys....
Heard him talkin about legacy, England and winning the women's RWC25. Still sounded full of shit
A journey? Travelling by train or plane?
planes, trains, and alchos on wheels
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The what amounted to giving up in the last 15 minutes is shocking Abs teams just don't do that, to quit the contest like that shows a real lack of care and commitment.And they did opt out some players just did not commit on the tackle at all.
I agree with Kieran Read something is not right within the group players and coaching to let that happen, no spine as Read said.
Some players need to go if that is what they want to dish up.
The Coaching well it looks totally in disarray with no clear path out of this mess.
The All Blacks are no longer what they were and I do not think its coming back damage maybe done.@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
The what amounted to giving up in the last 15 minutes is shocking Abs teams just don't do that, to quit the contest like that shows a real lack of care and commitment.And they did opt out some players just did not commit on the tackle at all.
I agree with Kieran Read something is not right within the group players and coaching to let that happen, no spine as Read said.
Some players need to go if that is what they want to dish up.
The Coaching well it looks totally in disarray with no clear path out of this mess.
The All Blacks are no longer what they were and I do not think its coming back damage maybe done.If Read says that, there must be something serious.
Then again when I read an article quoting him ""The self-styled innovation leaders of the world game were blown off the park" this line (not by him) seemed a tad unfair. -
I’d rather have 3 midgets than a guy that moves in slow motion.
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I’d rather have 3 midgets than a guy that moves in slow motion.
Why not both?! You are in luck! We can pick a midget that "moves in slow motion"!
