All Blacks 2025
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@restofit said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
Holland is the strike play coach, no? Out of all the coaches this year, he’s been earning his corn off first phase. Not a great deal he can do if the team can’t win good first phase ball. They did in the first test against Boks and they carved them open for 2 tries. That suggests some degree of good coaching, no?
Bryn Evans has been responsible for most of the All Blacks tries off set-piece this year, there was a recent article that detailed the difference Evans has made to the strike plays, which were a real weaknesses for us last year & Razor bringing in Evans is the best thing he's done all tenure - that wrap around try off the back of the scrum in Wellington was a play Evans used previously at the Hurricanes.
I am not sure about that Evans is in charge of the line outs and they have not been great.
Holland was also involved in that strike move as it was from a line out involving the backs..
And that is really the only strike move I have seen that has come off in the last 4 tests.Are you sure about that?
It’s a try Roigard has scored before for the Hurricanes, which blindside flanker Tupou Vaa’i noted after the match when he credited Evans as the mastermind behind the move.
“We honestly stole that from the Hurricanes eh,” Vaa’i said. “We saw it early on, actually here [in Wellington], against the Highlanders. They did that trick play around the front.
“Bryn is such a creative guy and we’ve been saying for years we need a lineout coach and he’s definitely bringing a different flavour to the lineouts and it’s obviously paying off.”
@restofit said in All Blacks 2025:
“Bryn is such a creative guy and we’ve been saying for years we need a lineout coach and he’s definitely bringing a different flavour to the lineouts and it’s obviously paying off.”
that aged well
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
Can we at least agree that DMac is too small to be put back at 15 against top sides?
Yeah, we can't have him competing with Kolbe in the air.
This discussion has been a bit odd, of all the ABs on the field on Saturday, DMac was the one who had me least worried about taking the high ball.
Dagg cursed Jordan by talking him up to attack RI a few weeks back and now he can't catch shit, and even worse can't score a try that is usually his bread and butter.
It's not just his height but his heft. Ability to stop big attackers close to the line. Heart of a lion but he just doesn't have the mass to be an international 15.
I'm not sure we pick our fullbacks based on their performance stopping players that other people should have already stopped. I've always preferred someone with the courage of DMac in defence rather than size and lacking that courage.
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@Nepia we pick them using the same criteria as our midfielders and locks/loosies, i.e. how we can fit them in amongst the Barretts.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia we pick them using the same criteria as our midfielders and locks/loosies, i.e. how we can fit them in amongst the Barretts.
Uncomfortable truth
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This video helps confirm what I suspected
@antipodean ‘We had a game plan to kick to Folau.’….. all the game plans in the world and that was the one they picked. Jeeez
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/jake-white-we-need-to-talk-about-the-all-blacks/
White would know how this one feels. Boks lost 5 in a row in 2006, with the infamous 49-0 loss to Oz being the nadir. 18 months later, Boks won the World Cup.
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Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
@jimmyb social media seemed to love it, which is great for Ardie.
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Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
Can you elaborate please ? I’d stopped watching by then
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
Can you elaborate please ? I’d stopped watching by then
Endless cliches, sounded like something from an NBA interview. Was uninspiring and underneath a veneer of “leadership”, the words of someone who hasn’t won anything since the 2016 super rugby season
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
Can we at least agree that DMac is too small to be put back at 15 against top sides?
Yeah, we can't have him competing with Kolbe in the air.
This discussion has been a bit odd, of all the ABs on the field on Saturday, DMac was the one who had me least worried about taking the high ball.
Dagg cursed Jordan by talking him up to attack RI a few weeks back and now he can't catch shit, and even worse can't score a try that is usually his bread and butter.
It's not just his height but his heft. Ability to stop big attackers close to the line. Heart of a lion but he just doesn't have the mass to be an international 15.
I'm not sure we pick our fullbacks based on their performance stopping players that other people should have already stopped. I've always preferred someone with the courage of DMac in defence rather than size and lacking that courage.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
I'm not sure we pick our fullbacks based on their performance stopping players that other people should have already stopped.
Then perhaps we should, because too many are getting through.
I've always preferred someone with the courage of DMac in defence rather than size and lacking that courage.
I'd rather have a small player who attempts, than a large player who doesn't but I don't think that is apropos to my point. Because we have larger 15s. Who do get involved.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .
Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .
Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.
Actually, it IS the attitude our legacy was built on.
It's been common practice for AB coaches, captains and players to form close, friendships during series or tours - particularly true of NZ/SA rugby. Sam Cane stayed with a a number of Boks after he hurt his neck. Goes way back to 1928.
Give me that legacy of post-match camaraderie rather than the sort of stuff we saw from Sexton & co. Keep that sort of shit in soccer - it has no place in Rugby
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .
Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.
Actually, it IS the attitude our legacy was built on.
It's been common practice for AB coaches, captains and players to form close, friendships during series or tours - particularly true of NZ/SA rugby. Sam Cane stayed with a a number of Boks after he hurt his neck. Goes way back to 1928.
Give me that legacy of post-match camaraderie rather than the sort of stuff we saw from Sexton & co. Keep that sort of shit in soccer - it has no place in Rugby
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .
Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.
Actually, it IS the attitude our legacy was built on.
It's been common practice for AB coaches, captains and players to form close, friendships during series or tours - particularly true of NZ/SA rugby. Sam Cane stayed with a a number of Boks after he hurt his neck. Goes way back to 1928.
Give me that legacy of post-match camaraderie rather than the sort of stuff we saw from Sexton & co. Keep that sort of shit in soccer - it has no place in Rugby
I don’t think anyone is advocating for the other end of the extreme. It isn’t common practice at all. From 2010 to 2015, did we see any of this? No one liked each other from opposing teams. That’s how you build competition. Friendship isn’t bigger than winning. An extreme example of Cane breaking his neck isn’t an example of anything.
The Bok only started this when they started winning. It wasn’t song and dances pre 2019 was it?
Ardie is a caricature of the “modern day leader”. It’s exaggerated, tedious, and lacks the edge to win anything, which is demonstrated in the results.
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Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
They think they are Michael Jordan.
With their singlets and baseball hats and any given sunday style shtick.
Mealamu would send them back to their rooms to get dressed properly.
Social Media is part of it. The "last dance-ification" of a season.
The F1 documentary is more popular than the sport itself now.
Cameras everywhere. You cant have a training ground bust up or call each other a pack of dickheads anymore.
Trent Alexander Arnold was asked what was more important, winning the Balon Dor or the World Cup and he said "Balon Dor".
Thats epitomises what this generation is like.
They want what McCaw and Carter had without doing what it took to get it.
Everyone is a brand. Everyone in character.
As I said before, Ardie could not countenance being put on the bench.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .
Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.
Actually, it IS the attitude our legacy was built on.
It's been common practice for AB coaches, captains and players to form close, friendships during series or tours - particularly true of NZ/SA rugby. Sam Cane stayed with a a number of Boks after he hurt his neck. Goes way back to 1928.
Give me that legacy of post-match camaraderie rather than the sort of stuff we saw from Sexton & co. Keep that sort of shit in soccer - it has no place in Rugby
I don’t think anyone is advocating for the other end of the extreme. It isn’t common practice at all. From 2010 to 2015, did we see any of this? No one liked each other from opposing teams. That’s how you build competition. Friendship isn’t bigger than winning. An extreme example of Cane breaking his neck isn’t an example of anything.
The Bok only started this when they started winning. It wasn’t song and dances pre 2019 was it?
Ardie is a caricature of the “modern day leader”. It’s exaggerated, tedious, and lacks the edge to win anything, which is demonstrated in the results.
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .
Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.
Actually, it IS the attitude our legacy was built on.
It's been common practice for AB coaches, captains and players to form close, friendships during series or tours - particularly true of NZ/SA rugby. Sam Cane stayed with a a number of Boks after he hurt his neck. Goes way back to 1928.
Give me that legacy of post-match camaraderie rather than the sort of stuff we saw from Sexton & co. Keep that sort of shit in soccer - it has no place in Rugby
I don’t think anyone is advocating for the other end of the extreme. It isn’t common practice at all. From 2010 to 2015, did we see any of this? No one liked each other from opposing teams. That’s how you build competition. Friendship isn’t bigger than winning. An extreme example of Cane breaking his neck isn’t an example of anything.
The Bok only started this when they started winning. It wasn’t song and dances pre 2019 was it?
Ardie is a caricature of the “modern day leader”. It’s exaggerated, tedious, and lacks the edge to win anything, which is demonstrated in the results.
Rougerie tried to rip McCaws eyes out in the World Cup final.
Greyling forearm smashed McCaw into the face for being a pest in a ruck.
I have more respect for Quade Cooper than our current Springbok cuddlers.
Cooper understood the assignment.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .
Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.
Actually, it IS the attitude our legacy was built on.
It's been common practice for AB coaches, captains and players to form close, friendships during series or tours - particularly true of NZ/SA rugby. Sam Cane stayed with a a number of Boks after he hurt his neck. Goes way back to 1928.
Give me that legacy of post-match camaraderie rather than the sort of stuff we saw from Sexton & co. Keep that sort of shit in soccer - it has no place in Rugby
I don’t think anyone is advocating for the other end of the extreme. It isn’t common practice at all. From 2010 to 2015, did we see any of this? No one liked each other from opposing teams. That’s how you build competition. Friendship isn’t bigger than winning. An extreme example of Cane breaking his neck isn’t an example of anything.
The Bok only started this when they started winning. It wasn’t song and dances pre 2019 was it?
Ardie is a caricature of the “modern day leader”. It’s exaggerated, tedious, and lacks the edge to win anything, which is demonstrated in the results.
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
From 2010 to 2015, did we see any of this? No one liked each other from opposing teams.
Nonsense.
The Bok only started this when they started winning. It wasn’t song and dances pre 2019 was it?
Ma'a Nonu made sure he'd left his jersey on Jean De Villiers peg before going to hospital with a broken arm in 2014. Andrew Hore & Bismark Du Plessis regularly stayed at each others farms. The battle between the Boks and the AB's in that era were among the fiercest I've seen.
Friendship isn’t bigger than winning.
Two very different things. Both equally important off and on the field respectively.
Just because one team (in this case the AB's last week) plays like shit, doesn't mean you can't still be mates off the field.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
They think they are Michael Jordan.
With their singlets and baseball hats and any given sunday style shtick.
Mealamu would send them back to their rooms to get dressed properly.
Social Media is part of it. The "last dance-ification" of a season.
The F1 documentary is more popular than the sport itself now.
Cameras everywhere. You cant have a training ground bust up or call each other a pack of dickheads anymore.
Trent Alexander Arnold was asked what was more important, winning the Balon Dor or the World Cup and he said "Balon Dor".
Thats epitomises what this generation is like.
They want what McCaw and Carter had without doing what it took to get it.
Everyone is a brand. Everyone in character.
As I said before, Ardie could not countenance being put on the bench.
He thinks the plot of this show revolves around him.@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
They think they are Michael Jordan.
With their singlets and baseball hats and any given sunday style shtick.
Mealamu would send them back to their rooms to get dressed properly.
Social Media is part of it. The "last dance-ification" of a season.
The F1 documentary is more popular than the sport itself now.
Cameras everywhere. You cant have a training ground bust up or call each other a pack of dickheads anymore.
Trent Alexander Arnold was asked what was more important, winning the Balon Dor or the World Cup and he said "Balon Dor".
Thats epitomises what this generation is like.
They want what McCaw and Carter had without doing what it took to get it.
Everyone is a brand. Everyone in character.
As I said before, Ardie could not countenance being put on the bench.
He thinks the plot of this show revolves around him.I remember watching a v old YouTube video of McCaw and Carter designing their own ABs training tops with various colours. Most of the forwards picked McCaws more conservative colours because they were genuinely scared of what he might say. It might seem trivial but we don’t have any leaders that the rest of the players are genuinely in awe of. And that’s what a captain is supposed to be
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
They think they are Michael Jordan.
With their singlets and baseball hats and any given sunday style shtick.
Mealamu would send them back to their rooms to get dressed properly.
Social Media is part of it. The "last dance-ification" of a season.
The F1 documentary is more popular than the sport itself now.
Cameras everywhere. You cant have a training ground bust up or call each other a pack of dickheads anymore.
Trent Alexander Arnold was asked what was more important, winning the Balon Dor or the World Cup and he said "Balon Dor".
Thats epitomises what this generation is like.
They want what McCaw and Carter had without doing what it took to get it.
Everyone is a brand. Everyone in character.
As I said before, Ardie could not countenance being put on the bench.
He thinks the plot of this show revolves around him.I remember watching a v old YouTube video of McCaw and Carter designing their own ABs training tops with various colours. Most of the forwards picked McCaws more conservative colours because they were genuinely scared of what he might say. It might seem trivial but we don’t have any leaders that the rest of the players are genuinely in awe of. And that’s what a captain is supposed to be
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Jesus Christ. I just watched Ardies post match chat in the huddle after the loss. He thinks he’s in a fucking Hollywood film. Has he completely lost the plot?
They think they are Michael Jordan.
With their singlets and baseball hats and any given sunday style shtick.
Mealamu would send them back to their rooms to get dressed properly.
Social Media is part of it. The "last dance-ification" of a season.
The F1 documentary is more popular than the sport itself now.
Cameras everywhere. You cant have a training ground bust up or call each other a pack of dickheads anymore.
Trent Alexander Arnold was asked what was more important, winning the Balon Dor or the World Cup and he said "Balon Dor".
Thats epitomises what this generation is like.
They want what McCaw and Carter had without doing what it took to get it.
Everyone is a brand. Everyone in character.
As I said before, Ardie could not countenance being put on the bench.
He thinks the plot of this show revolves around him.I remember watching a v old YouTube video of McCaw and Carter designing their own ABs training tops with various colours. Most of the forwards picked McCaws more conservative colours because they were genuinely scared of what he might say. It might seem trivial but we don’t have any leaders that the rest of the players are genuinely in awe of. And that’s what a captain is supposed to be
Aaron Smith , the teams unofficial barber once remarked he would cut anyones hair bar McCaws.
