All Blacks 2025
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo My answer is for the All Blacks selectors to grow a pair and to only select players who deserve selection based on current form and future promise.
If NZR waste their money on over the hill players to stop them going to Rugby 360 or for marketing purposes, that's their problem.
The All Blacks are about excellence and winning.
That, plus if a player gets frozen out of the ABs due to poor performance they need to look into ways of that contract being terminated by mutual agreement which will enable that player to leave NZ and make money offshore. Both parties can gain from that arrangement.
One thing is clear that some of the longer term ABs don't have that same hunger or energy they used to - the reason you can see that is because it stands out like a sore thumb when you compare it to someone like Leroy Carter or even a Quinn Tupaea whose AB career has been derailed due to injury. Right now those guys are playing with a sense of purpose.
Its nothing personal, it just benefits no-one to have players around the setup that are a couple years past their use by date.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
If NZR waste their money on over the hill players to stop them going to Rugby 360 or for marketing purposes, that's their problem.
If NZR waste all their money, eventually it will affect the AB team.
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@mohikamo and I suspect the likes of Richie, Conrad, Dan, Nonu could all have still commanded decent nzr coin post 2015, but I think all of them probably knew it was time to move on, leave the legacy rather than fade out.
Now, a few players certainly seem like they are just going through the motions, and they are among those.with bigger contracts.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo and I suspect the likes of Richie, Conrad, Dan, Nonu could all have still commanded decent nzr coin post 2015, but I think all of them probably knew it was time to move on, leave the legacy rather than fade out.
Now, a few players certainly seem like they are just going through the motions, and they are among those.with bigger contracts.
There is also Beauden Barrett, sticking around just to pad his stats, trying to retire as the most capped All Black of all time, and the likes of Savea, who has worked out he can get away with taking multiple sabbaticals within the same World Cup cycle and loves the attention too much to play in Japan permanently.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
Its nothing personal, it just benefits no-one to have players around the setup that are a couple years past their use by date.
Haha
It sure benfits the player that is still on a fat contract.. Re the Marcus Rashford imbroglio..It'd be nice to have a bit of clarity on the AB player contracting situation.
Just a general idea of the numbers.
Like the number of players on this amount for this duration.
The fern can figure out the rest.
A journo should ask a NZR honcho the question.From what i've garned in the last few months, my gut feeling is they signed a bunch of players up to the next WC.
You can sort of tell who they are by the players that are getting the run ons, and conversly who they didn't, by the players who are a bit on the outer.
You can see why they are a bit locked in now, selection wise, for the next couple of seasons.
A few "key" injuries might actually be a good thing.Fuck, in the amateur days they could dump the whole team, and did on occasion, no prob.
They cant do that now.
Well the could.
But it would cost them a lot of money.Shit, in the NFL all this contract stuff is on the public record.
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
It'd be nice to have a bit of clarity on the AB player contracting situation.
Just a general idea of the numbers.
Like the number of players on this amount for this duration.I am pretty sure that signing a NZR contract (of which there are three parts) does not guarantee you AB selection. We can be cynical and say that if you are getting paid ~NZ$1M per year they want to maximise the use of their investment. Players also get generous weekly assembly fees on top of their normal contract, so that is a loss of income if you aren't selected.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
It'd be nice to have a bit of clarity on the AB player contracting situation.
Just a general idea of the numbers.
Like the number of players on this amount for this duration.I am pretty sure that signing a NZR contract (of which there are three parts) does not guarantee you AB selection. We can be cynical and say that if you are getting paid ~NZ$1M per year they want to maximise the use of their investment. Players also get generous weekly assembly fees on top of their normal contract, so that is a loss of income if you aren't selected.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
It'd be nice to have a bit of clarity on the AB player contracting situation.
Just a general idea of the numbers.
Like the number of players on this amount for this duration.I am pretty sure that signing a NZR contract (of which there are three parts) does not guarantee you AB selection. We can be cynical and say that if you are getting paid ~NZ$1M per year they want to maximise the use of their investment. Players also get generous weekly assembly fees on top of their normal contract, so that is a loss of income if you aren't selected.
Believe Barrett had a clause in his contract that he would be selected for the All Blacks when he first returned from his sabbatical. I think that's the extent of it though.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo and I suspect the likes of Richie, Conrad, Dan, Nonu could all have still commanded decent nzr coin post 2015, but I think all of them probably knew it was time to move on, leave the legacy rather than fade out.
Now, a few players certainly seem like they are just going through the motions, and they are among those.with bigger contracts.
There is also Beauden Barrett, sticking around just to pad his stats, trying to retire as the most capped All Black of all time, and the likes of Savea, who has worked out he can get away with taking multiple sabbaticals within the same World Cup cycle and loves the attention too much to play in Japan permanently.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo and I suspect the likes of Richie, Conrad, Dan, Nonu could all have still commanded decent nzr coin post 2015, but I think all of them probably knew it was time to move on, leave the legacy rather than fade out.
Now, a few players certainly seem like they are just going through the motions, and they are among those.with bigger contracts.
There is also Beauden Barrett, sticking around just to pad his stats, trying to retire as the most capped All Black of all time, and the likes of Savea, who has worked out he can get away with taking multiple sabbaticals within the same World Cup cycle and loves the attention too much to play in Japan permanently.
Yeah, another one trying to get the public on his side to change the eligibility rules so he and BB can go play in Japan, R360, wherever they please whilst swanning back into the ABs.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
I actually fancy Scotland to win against us. Can see us beating Ireland and Wales though.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
I actually fancy Scotland to win against us. Can see us beating Ireland and Wales though.
Ireland are waiting in the long grass.
They aren’t what they were, but they are mighty competent.
They get every ounce of juice out of their ability.
Think we get turned over.
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@Frank Love just doesn’t do it for me tbh. Barely a standout in the NPC games he’s played this year. I don’t think he’s ever been the Hurricanes no1 option at 10, would rather see Josh Jacomb or Rivez Reihana get a shot personally.
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank Love just doesn’t do it for me tbh. Barely a standout in the NPC games he’s played this year. I don’t think he’s ever been the Hurricanes no1 option at 10, would rather see Josh Jacomb or Rivez Reihana get a shot personally.
I agree , I just not sure about the whole Love at 10.
But that just me, and I make no bones, I am and have been a on the Jacomb bandwagon for a couple of seasons. But even he needs a decent super season to bed in. I think he genuinely looks to have the balance I look for in a 10. I tend to think we sometimes don't watch how a 10 runs, and just not too keen on them being to upright (if you understand what I mean), as they tend to break when the defence is close.
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Media stirring the pot? If not, fuck Mounga for that shitty attitude.
NZ Rugby's decision means Robertson must ignore Mo'unga when he picks his squad for the All Blacks' "Rugby's Greatest Rivalry'' tour of South Africa.
Mo'unga is understood to be underwhelmed at the prospect of playing in front of small crowds in the NPC while the All Blacks tour the Republic, but unless the NZ Rugby board switches its stance he will be tethered to Canterbury. -
Media stirring the pot? If not, fuck Mounga for that shitty attitude.
NZ Rugby's decision means Robertson must ignore Mo'unga when he picks his squad for the All Blacks' "Rugby's Greatest Rivalry'' tour of South Africa.
Mo'unga is understood to be underwhelmed at the prospect of playing in front of small crowds in the NPC while the All Blacks tour the Republic, but unless the NZ Rugby board switches its stance he will be tethered to Canterbury.@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Media stirring the pot? If not, fuck Mounga for that shitty attitude.
NZ Rugby's decision means Robertson must ignore Mo'unga when he picks his squad for the All Blacks' "Rugby's Greatest Rivalry'' tour of South Africa.
Mo'unga is understood to be underwhelmed at the prospect of playing in front of small crowds in the NPC while the All Blacks tour the Republic, but unless the NZ Rugby board switches its stance he will be tethered to Canterbury.That would be pretty unfair on the players who have been playing Super and NPC and have been committed to the ABs and have made the team on form.
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@brodean said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think they will circle back to Fihaki for ABs XV
Hope not he's a snail on defence unfortunately being skinned by a 7 Lucas Casey & halfback turned wing Adam Lennox lives fresh in the mind
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@grooter to be fair, they are both pretty quick
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Media stirring the pot? If not, fuck Mounga for that shitty attitude.
NZ Rugby's decision means Robertson must ignore Mo'unga when he picks his squad for the All Blacks' "Rugby's Greatest Rivalry'' tour of South Africa.
Mo'unga is understood to be underwhelmed at the prospect of playing in front of small crowds in the NPC while the All Blacks tour the Republic, but unless the NZ Rugby board switches its stance he will be tethered to Canterbury.we know Knowler talks rubbish and doesn’t actually watch the games. Take this part for instance
While confirmation Beauden Barrett will be fit for the Grand Slam tour is a significant boost for the All Blacks,
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we know Knowler talks rubbish and doesn’t actually watch the games. Take this part for instance
While confirmation Beauden Barrett will be fit for the Grand Slam tour is a significant boost for the All Blacks,
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
we know Knowler talks rubbish and doesn’t actually watch the games. Take this part for instance
While confirmation Beauden Barrett will be fit for the Grand Slam tour is a significant boost for the All Blacks,
What a load of shit ( which seems all too common in the media nowadays, the dare not say anything remotely negative about a player )
You’d think BB was peak Dan Carter based on this crapola above.
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Would like to have a closer look at Beehre or Shalfoon
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Would like to have a closer look at Beehre or Shalfoon
I think Beehre is well suited to being a traditional blindside flanker.
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I think Ennor should be there. I think he should be being viewed as a genuine option at centre for the All Blacks. May lack power, but is an excellent defender and distributor.
McLeod has had a good NPC.
Happy to move past Havili, but remember this is not just a development team, part of it is rewarding the next best players to keep them in the country.
@frugby said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think Ennor should be there. I think he should be being viewed as a genuine option at centre for the All Blacks. May lack power, but is an excellent defender and distributor.
It's difficult to tell with Ennor as he never seems to be able to string a bunch of performances together without getting injured or being moved by coaches.
At his best he demonstrates sufficient class to play well at the highest level
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My own thoughts:
If Asafa Aumua is fit, he should come back as reserve Hooker. He's clearly in our top three in that position.
Dalton Papalii must be promoted to the All Blacks squad. He's our best 7.
I'd like to see Josh Beehre given a chance for the All
Blacks at 6. I see him, Scott Parker and (the now injured) Tupou Vaii as the three contenders for that position in 2027.With Vaii out, Sam Darry should be back in the All Blacks squad at Lock.
We need to develop more strength in depth at 10. I'm fine with DMac starting against Ireland and England, but Ruben Love needs to given the keys against Scotland and/or Wales, with another 10 (I like Rivez Reihana) given some game time too.
Caleb Tangitau's pace would be useful on the Wing against both Ireland and England. I'd like to see him in the full squad and given some game time.
Players I've been impressed with generally in 2025 and I'd strongly consider for the All Blacks XV squad.
Xavier Numia, Josh Fusitua, George Dyer, Jack Taylor, Bradley Slater, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Antonio Shalfoon, Devan Flanders, Anton Segner, Corey Kurow, Christian Lio-Willie, Dylan Pledger, Josh Jacomb, Harry Godfrey, Riley Higgins, AJ Lam, Braydon Ennor, Dallas McLeod, Bailyn Sullivan, Jacob R-K, Xavier Tito-Harris, Oli Mathis.
@sparky said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Caleb Tangitau's pace would be useful on the Wing against both Ireland and England. I'd like to see him in the full squad and given some game time.
It's too early for him. The NPC has highlighted he has some glaring gaps in his skillset he needs to address.
Fix those and he could be a weapon, but I see no urgency to replace Carter.
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@sparky said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Caleb Tangitau's pace would be useful on the Wing against both Ireland and England. I'd like to see him in the full squad and given some game time.
It's too early for him. The NPC has highlighted he has some glaring gaps in his skillset he needs to address.
Fix those and he could be a weapon, but I see no urgency to replace Carter.
@antipodean said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Caleb Tangitau's pace would be useful on the Wing against both Ireland and England. I'd like to see him in the full squad and given some game time.
It's too early for him. The NPC has highlighted he has some glaring gaps in his skillset he needs to address.
Fix those and he could be a weapon, but I see no urgency to replace Carter.
This NPC has firmly put a stop on the Tangitau hype train from early super rugby
