All Blacks 2025
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Pretty baffling that ALB, Jacobson, and Finau are in the team. Does Jacobson ever play? Is he an extra coach or something?
@Tim said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Pretty baffling that ALB, Jacobson, and Finau are in the team. Does Jacobson ever play? Is he an extra coach or something?
Must be a great guy to have around the team, because he doesn't do anymore than that
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@ARHS said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think the selection is perfectly reasonable. The UK teams will take no prisoners. Pledger Casey and Mathis could all do with a season of initiation to super rugby. And not sure Tangitau is accurate enough for next level yet.
Maybe would have Darry over Lord. And surprised Mafileo chosen over Dyer, but that was flagged anyway.
Papalii would be a good captain for AB XV if available. Look forward to seeing Jacomb and Reihana there too.
Bolters? Bartlett, Beehre, V,Lasaga and Fineangano would all please me.I understand your argument, but we have to be careful not to "Stevenson" or "Laumape" more players.
We need to get them involved and feeling involved early doors or they will fuck off somewhere else.
Has Ruben Love got a fair shake? Did Perofeta? Did Plummer? Did Sotutu?
The Allblacks has an ever growing list of hard luck stories and "guess we will never know's".
Its all well and good having incumbents and centrally contracted stars, but they need to hold up their end of the couch, otherwise it is akin to a bloated over paid civil service.
Players have to think good performances provincially will be rewarded with higher honours and the corollary of that also applies....under performing Allblacks need to have their feet held to the fire.
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think the selection is perfectly reasonable. The UK teams will take no prisoners. Pledger Casey and Mathis could all do with a season of initiation to super rugby. And not sure Tangitau is accurate enough for next level yet.
Maybe would have Darry over Lord. And surprised Mafileo chosen over Dyer, but that was flagged anyway.
Papalii would be a good captain for AB XV if available. Look forward to seeing Jacomb and Reihana there too.
Bolters? Bartlett, Beehre, V,Lasaga and Fineangano would all please me.I understand your argument, but we have to be careful not to "Stevenson" or "Laumape" more players.
We need to get them involved and feeling involved early doors or they will fuck off somewhere else.
Has Ruben Love got a fair shake? Did Perofeta? Did Plummer? Did Sotutu?
The Allblacks has an ever growing list of hard luck stories and "guess we will never know's".
Its all well and good having incumbents and centrally contracted stars, but they need to hold up their end of the couch, otherwise it is akin to a bloated over paid civil service.
Players have to think good performances provincially will be rewarded with higher honours and the corollary of that also applies....under performing Allblacks need to have their feet held to the fire.
There is zero accountability right now. From the CEO to the coaches all the way down
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@John said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Is the abs xv picked on npc performance or super rugby performance
You could almost say neither.
Robertson has his squad, and that is pretty much it.
I'd say from now thru to the WC, the only players who are coming in, are injury replacements.
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@John said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Is the abs xv picked on npc performance or super rugby performance
You could almost say neither.
Robertson has his squad, and that is pretty much it.
I'd say from now thru to the WC, the only players who are coming in, are injury replacements.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
SRP 2025 10s
Hold on everyone.
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South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
Raises a good question though...
Despite having so much more fresh and upcoming talent to pick from, South Africa's TRC squad included 23 players who were 30 years of age or older.
New Zealand's included seven.
Why are South Africa currently getting so much more out of their older players?
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@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
Raises a good question though...
Despite having so much more fresh and upcoming talent to pick from, South Africa's TRC squad included 23 players who were 30 years of age or older.
New Zealand's included seven.
Why are South Africa currently getting so much more out of their older players?
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
Raises a good question though...
Despite having so much more fresh and upcoming talent to pick from, South Africa's TRC squad included 23 players who were 30 years of age or older.
New Zealand's included seven.
Why are South Africa currently getting so much more out of their older players?
This might not answer your question specifically but I think it's because when Rassie selects a player he does so with intent. Intent to play them. Intent to play them in key moments in key situations, when the game is on the line. He doesn't waste selections on players who he wants to hold tackle bags.
In contrast Razor will select a player like Love with no intent to play him and do the same with an older player like Jacobson or ALB.
Rassie is also not afraid in the least to drop a player or rotate a player out of the team. There really are no incumbents in the team. The jersey is up for grabs at every game and I feel like he is able to get more out of his players because of that.
This might be an oversimplification of the situation (and it probably is) but I think that is the approximate reason why Rassie gets more from his players. Or if he doesn't then he shuffles that player to the bottom of the deck and gives someone else a crack.
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Here's a related statistic.
Richie has played Ireland seven times.
He's started twice and we've won both games (at World Cups).
Five times he's been on the bench behind Beaudy. We've lost four of those five games.
@Chris-B that simply highlights what so many have been saying for some time
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@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
How can you suffer a 43-10 record loss at home and think George Bell is the only change that needs to be made to the squad?
It's almost a tacit admission that coaching is the problem.....if you dont drop the players, you're de-facto blaming the tactics or training?
Or its just chalked off as a particularly bad day at the office?
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
How can you suffer a 43-10 record loss at home and think George Bell is the only change that needs to be made to the squad?
It's almost a tacit admission that coaching is the problem.....if you dont drop the players, you're de-facto blaming the tactics or training?
Or its just chalked off as a particularly bad day at the office?
It’s almost unbelievable they haven’t moved a couple of the coaching staff on after that performance. The defence has been awful all year. The backline’s been subpar. Robertson thinks he’s going to use his terrible motivation methodology - ‘walk together’ - to win a World Cup.
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@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
Raises a good question though...
Despite having so much more fresh and upcoming talent to pick from, South Africa's TRC squad included 23 players who were 30 years of age or older.
New Zealand's included seven.
Why are South Africa currently getting so much more out of their older players?
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
Raises a good question though...
Despite having so much more fresh and upcoming talent to pick from, South Africa's TRC squad included 23 players who were 30 years of age or older.
New Zealand's included seven.
Why are South Africa currently getting so much more out of their older players?
They’re only selecting older players who are performing and get rid of them if they aren’t? Robertson is selecting older players because they played well almost a decade ago.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
Raises a good question though...
Despite having so much more fresh and upcoming talent to pick from, South Africa's TRC squad included 23 players who were 30 years of age or older.
New Zealand's included seven.
Why are South Africa currently getting so much more out of their older players?
This might not answer your question specifically but I think it's because when Rassie selects a player he does so with intent. Intent to play them. Intent to play them in key moments in key situations, when the game is on the line. He doesn't waste selections on players who he wants to hold tackle bags.
In contrast Razor will select a player like Love with no intent to play him and do the same with an older player like Jacobson or ALB.
Rassie is also not afraid in the least to drop a player or rotate a player out of the team. There really are no incumbents in the team. The jersey is up for grabs at every game and I feel like he is able to get more out of his players because of that.
This might be an oversimplification of the situation (and it probably is) but I think that is the approximate reason why Rassie gets more from his players. Or if he doesn't then he shuffles that player to the bottom of the deck and gives someone else a crack.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
In contrast Razor will select a player like Love with no intent to play him and do the same with an older player like Jacobson or ALB.
Then brings up how many players have debuted while he’s been coach in the press conference and tries to claim two minutes off the bench playing out of position when the player is only there because the players he wanted to pick are injured means he’s not being conservative with his selections.
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@restofit said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Papali'i & Darry should be there over Finau & Lord... but we don't pick Blues with this coaching setup.
Monstered the Chiefs in the 1/4s missing 2 abs and took Crusaders to 86 mins in the Semi.
Razor must think Cotter is a coaching demi-god considering their clinical performances in the playoffs 2024 & 2025 with barely any test quality players!
Well, if we picked those two guys, there would be 7 Blues in the squad and 8 Crusaders.
We won the competition and you guys lost nine games.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@restofit said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Papali'i & Darry should be there over Finau & Lord... but we don't pick Blues with this coaching setup.
Monstered the Chiefs in the 1/4s missing 2 abs and took Crusaders to 86 mins in the Semi.
Razor must think Cotter is a coaching demi-god considering their clinical performances in the playoffs 2024 & 2025 with barely any test quality players!
Well, if we picked those two guys, there would be 7 Blues in the squad and 8 Crusaders.
We won the competition and you guys lost nine games.
Its not about Blues vs Crusaders. There should be more of both. There's too many Chiefs and Canes.
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The referees for the tour games:
Ireland v New Zealand - Pierre Brousset (FFR)
Scotland v New Zealand - Nic Berry (RA)
England v New Zealand - Andrea Piardi (FIR)
Wales v New Zealand - Hollie Davidson (SRU)Barbarians v All Blacks XV - Nic Berry (RA)
England A v All Blacks XV - TBA (RFU appointment)
Uruguay v All Blacks XV - TBA (FFR appointment) -
@pakman said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Midfield - more question marks even with the QT performance against the Aussies. There may be a temptation to rotate a bit. Jordie still our best midfielder but the way they are using him to drop back defensively was interesting to say the least.
Ireland and Scotland attack from the midfield quite differently to Aussie so it’s going to be interesting to see if they go with QT or Proctor.It's kind of a strange set of midfielders - even though it's not surprising.
On current rankings:
Second five: Jordie, Tupaea, ALB
Centre: Tupaea, Proctor, Ioane, ALB
I don't see Big Leicester starting there, unless maybe vs Wales - quite possible he plays wing or on the bench, though. I'd have grouped him with the wings.
If Jordie gets injured, I wonder whether they go Tupaea/Proctor or ALB/Tupaea?
It would be QT12/ALB13.
I'd much prefer QT12/Rieko12
Edit: QT12/Rieko13
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Midfield - more question marks even with the QT performance against the Aussies. There may be a temptation to rotate a bit. Jordie still our best midfielder but the way they are using him to drop back defensively was interesting to say the least.
Ireland and Scotland attack from the midfield quite differently to Aussie so it’s going to be interesting to see if they go with QT or Proctor.It's kind of a strange set of midfielders - even though it's not surprising.
On current rankings:
Second five: Jordie, Tupaea, ALB
Centre: Tupaea, Proctor, Ioane, ALB
I don't see Big Leicester starting there, unless maybe vs Wales - quite possible he plays wing or on the bench, though. I'd have grouped him with the wings.
If Jordie gets injured, I wonder whether they go Tupaea/Proctor or ALB/Tupaea?
It would be QT12/ALB13.
I'd much prefer QT12/Rieko12
Whilst I love the idea of two second fives gang tackling anyone who runs down the 12 channel that really leaves a gaping hole at 13.
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The referees for the tour games:
Ireland v New Zealand - Pierre Brousset (FFR)
Scotland v New Zealand - Nic Berry (RA)
England v New Zealand - Andrea Piardi (FIR)
Wales v New Zealand - Hollie Davidson (SRU)Barbarians v All Blacks XV - Nic Berry (RA)
England A v All Blacks XV - TBA (RFU appointment)
Uruguay v All Blacks XV - TBA (FFR appointment)@Bovidae said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The referees for the tour games:
Wales v New Zealand - Hollie Davidson (SRU)
I hope the Welsh don't try any funny business again if the Scottish referee can't keep up with play after a fast breakaway...
They have form. Bob Deans scored.
