All Blacks 2025
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@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
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@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Now the most carded AB I believe.
Just such a retro selection. He's so far down the pecking order for a spot in the 23 for me. Total waste of a spot.
Yeah, his continued selection might be the most pointless of all.
He's not good enough to start and he does not offer anything off the bench and he's not versatile so just no real point in him being there.At 13 you have Proctor, QT or Rieko, there's no need for all three and ALB.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Now the most carded AB I believe.
Just such a retro selection. He's so far down the pecking order for a spot in the 23 for me. Total waste of a spot.
Yeah, his continued selection might be the most pointless of all.
He's not good enough to start and he does not offer anything off the bench and he's not versatile so just no real point in him being there.At 13 you have Proctor, QT or Rieko, there's no need for all three and ALB.
He is 8 caps away from equalling Conrad Smiths 94 caps.
It is staggering. I cant remember a line break, a try, an offload.......
He is a totem for everything that has gone wrong and stale with the Allblacks in the last 10 years.
You could literally pick anyone and it would be a better use of a place.
Any other centre our outside back deserves a chance.Fucking anyone.
Most of our best players over the last 5 years have been new guys or guys on the outer getting a gig.. Jordan, Carter, Roigard, Leicester, Tupea, Sititi last year. Holland. Tamaiti Williams. Ratima has been decent. Aumua was imperious against Ireland and England pre injury.
The only incumbents who have been consistently of a high level are Taylor and Jordie.
The rest of the 80/90 cappers, our Captain, and "world player of the year" Savea, are giving us fuck all to write home about.
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I think the selection is perfectly reasonable. The UK teams will take no prisoners. Pledger Casey and Mathis could all do with a season of initiation to super rugby. And not sure Tangitau is accurate enough for next level yet.
Maybe would have Darry over Lord. And surprised Mafileo chosen over Dyer, but that was flagged anyway.
Papalii would be a good captain for AB XV if available. Look forward to seeing Jacomb and Reihana there too.
Bolters? Bartlett, Beehre, V,Lasaga and Fineangano would all please me.@ARHS said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think the selection is perfectly reasonable. The UK teams will take no prisoners. Pledger Casey and Mathis could all do with a season of initiation to super rugby. And not sure Tangitau is accurate enough for next level yet.
Maybe would have Darry over Lord. And surprised Mafileo chosen over Dyer, but that was flagged anyway.
Papalii would be a good captain for AB XV if available. Look forward to seeing Jacomb and Reihana there too.
Bolters? Bartlett, Beehre, V,Lasaga and Fineangano would all please me.I understand your argument, but we have to be careful not to "Stevenson" or "Laumape" more players.
We need to get them involved and feeling involved early doors or they will fuck off somewhere else.
Has Ruben Love got a fair shake? Did Perofeta? Did Plummer? Did Sotutu?
The Allblacks has an ever growing list of hard luck stories and "guess we will never know's".
Its all well and good having incumbents and centrally contracted stars, but they need to hold up their end of the couch, otherwise it is akin to a bloated over paid civil service.
Players have to think good performances provincially will be rewarded with higher honours and the corollary of that also applies....under performing Allblacks need to have their feet held to the fire.
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I know he is the GOAT but we didnt wait for Dan Carter to be a regular at 10 for the Crusaders before we gave him the gig.
Shit or get off the pot with Ruben Love......we should have by now for fuck sake.
And if he isnt good enough then get Josh Jacomb in.
Move fast and break things as the tech bro's say.
We dont seem to be trying anything.
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How can you suffer a 43-10 record loss at home and think George Bell is the only change that needs to be made to the squad?
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
How can you suffer a 43-10 record loss at home and think George Bell is the only change that needs to be made to the squad?
It's almost a tacit admission that coaching is the problem.....if you dont drop the players, you're de-facto blaming the tactics or training?
Or its just chalked off as a particularly bad day at the office?
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squad is a clear statement that they think they not only have the right players, but they are close to clicking. We may beg to differ, but at least i can admire their commitment to the path.
Given that appears to be the case, i now hope it either goes spectacularly right, or spectacularly wrong. Another middle of the road tour means another 12 months of the same shit, and in fact probably right through to the World Cup.
There are some very lucky tourists who will get a mean holiday.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Another middle of the road tour means another 12 months of the same shit, and in fact probably right through to the World Cup.
This is by far the most likely scenario.
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Pretty baffling that ALB, Jacobson, and Finau are in the team. Does Jacobson ever play? Is he an extra coach or something?
@Tim said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Pretty baffling that ALB, Jacobson, and Finau are in the team. Does Jacobson ever play? Is he an extra coach or something?
Must be a great guy to have around the team, because he doesn't do anymore than that
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@ARHS said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think the selection is perfectly reasonable. The UK teams will take no prisoners. Pledger Casey and Mathis could all do with a season of initiation to super rugby. And not sure Tangitau is accurate enough for next level yet.
Maybe would have Darry over Lord. And surprised Mafileo chosen over Dyer, but that was flagged anyway.
Papalii would be a good captain for AB XV if available. Look forward to seeing Jacomb and Reihana there too.
Bolters? Bartlett, Beehre, V,Lasaga and Fineangano would all please me.I understand your argument, but we have to be careful not to "Stevenson" or "Laumape" more players.
We need to get them involved and feeling involved early doors or they will fuck off somewhere else.
Has Ruben Love got a fair shake? Did Perofeta? Did Plummer? Did Sotutu?
The Allblacks has an ever growing list of hard luck stories and "guess we will never know's".
Its all well and good having incumbents and centrally contracted stars, but they need to hold up their end of the couch, otherwise it is akin to a bloated over paid civil service.
Players have to think good performances provincially will be rewarded with higher honours and the corollary of that also applies....under performing Allblacks need to have their feet held to the fire.
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I think the selection is perfectly reasonable. The UK teams will take no prisoners. Pledger Casey and Mathis could all do with a season of initiation to super rugby. And not sure Tangitau is accurate enough for next level yet.
Maybe would have Darry over Lord. And surprised Mafileo chosen over Dyer, but that was flagged anyway.
Papalii would be a good captain for AB XV if available. Look forward to seeing Jacomb and Reihana there too.
Bolters? Bartlett, Beehre, V,Lasaga and Fineangano would all please me.I understand your argument, but we have to be careful not to "Stevenson" or "Laumape" more players.
We need to get them involved and feeling involved early doors or they will fuck off somewhere else.
Has Ruben Love got a fair shake? Did Perofeta? Did Plummer? Did Sotutu?
The Allblacks has an ever growing list of hard luck stories and "guess we will never know's".
Its all well and good having incumbents and centrally contracted stars, but they need to hold up their end of the couch, otherwise it is akin to a bloated over paid civil service.
Players have to think good performances provincially will be rewarded with higher honours and the corollary of that also applies....under performing Allblacks need to have their feet held to the fire.
There is zero accountability right now. From the CEO to the coaches all the way down
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@John said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Is the abs xv picked on npc performance or super rugby performance
You could almost say neither.
Robertson has his squad, and that is pretty much it.
I'd say from now thru to the WC, the only players who are coming in, are injury replacements.
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@John said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Is the abs xv picked on npc performance or super rugby performance
You could almost say neither.
Robertson has his squad, and that is pretty much it.
I'd say from now thru to the WC, the only players who are coming in, are injury replacements.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
SRP 2025 10s
Hold on everyone.
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South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
Raises a good question though...
Despite having so much more fresh and upcoming talent to pick from, South Africa's TRC squad included 23 players who were 30 years of age or older.
New Zealand's included seven.
Why are South Africa currently getting so much more out of their older players?
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@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
Raises a good question though...
Despite having so much more fresh and upcoming talent to pick from, South Africa's TRC squad included 23 players who were 30 years of age or older.
New Zealand's included seven.
Why are South Africa currently getting so much more out of their older players?
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
South Africas huge population and player pool is now often cited as one of their advantages over us.
Our pool is much smaller yes, but we dont help ourselves by deifying 30 lads and giving nobody else a chance.
Raises a good question though...
Despite having so much more fresh and upcoming talent to pick from, South Africa's TRC squad included 23 players who were 30 years of age or older.
New Zealand's included seven.
Why are South Africa currently getting so much more out of their older players?
This might not answer your question specifically but I think it's because when Rassie selects a player he does so with intent. Intent to play them. Intent to play them in key moments in key situations, when the game is on the line. He doesn't waste selections on players who he wants to hold tackle bags.
In contrast Razor will select a player like Love with no intent to play him and do the same with an older player like Jacobson or ALB.
Rassie is also not afraid in the least to drop a player or rotate a player out of the team. There really are no incumbents in the team. The jersey is up for grabs at every game and I feel like he is able to get more out of his players because of that.
This might be an oversimplification of the situation (and it probably is) but I think that is the approximate reason why Rassie gets more from his players. Or if he doesn't then he shuffles that player to the bottom of the deck and gives someone else a crack.
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Here's a related statistic.
Richie has played Ireland seven times.
He's started twice and we've won both games (at World Cups).
Five times he's been on the bench behind Beaudy. We've lost four of those five games.
@Chris-B that simply highlights what so many have been saying for some time
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@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
How can you suffer a 43-10 record loss at home and think George Bell is the only change that needs to be made to the squad?
It's almost a tacit admission that coaching is the problem.....if you dont drop the players, you're de-facto blaming the tactics or training?
Or its just chalked off as a particularly bad day at the office?
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
How can you suffer a 43-10 record loss at home and think George Bell is the only change that needs to be made to the squad?
It's almost a tacit admission that coaching is the problem.....if you dont drop the players, you're de-facto blaming the tactics or training?
Or its just chalked off as a particularly bad day at the office?
It’s almost unbelievable they haven’t moved a couple of the coaching staff on after that performance. The defence has been awful all year. The backline’s been subpar. Robertson thinks he’s going to use his terrible motivation methodology - ‘walk together’ - to win a World Cup.
