All Blacks 2025
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
Wanting to get rid of Foster doesn't mean one becomes a Razor fanatic.
Not what I said.
The same changes in the global & NZ rugby environment impacted both coaches but too many unthinking morons told us with messianic fervour that was irrelevant - all ABs problems and losses were down to Foster and once Coach Jesus took over the sun would shine again.
Brain-dead thinking, of course, but at least the argument has moved on. It's not the head coach that's the problem now - it's the assistants....
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
That's not really what I'm arguing about though - I'm arguing that prior international experience isn't the be-all and end-all and pointing out a host of guys with loads of prior international experience who haven't been able arrest slides or are doing no better than Razor.
Your original post was drawing on what other coaches with international experience have or haven’t managed as a way of defending Robertson. Mine points out that line of argument relies on speculation about how others would be doing in his place. How well they're doing coaching ather teams doesn't factor in for me and I don't really care. Robertson is the All Blacks coach through to the World Cup. He needs to do better.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris Scott Hansen is in charge of defence......
Tamati Ellison's role is the contact area in defence.
Nah Scott Hansen is no longer defence coach Ellison stepped up to take it over completely .
And hasn't he done a sterling job!
NO
To be fair our backline strategy is fucking terrible too.
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I think regardless of what, coaches learn by not just coaching differing styles of rugby, but actually learn how to select players from a bigger pool then the 30odd-40 players you got contracted at super level. And it is a learning process, read books by Ted and Shag etc, and you will read of coaches who learnt a lot doing not just clubs overseas , but more importantly how much they learnt in the Welsh environment. Razor will be a much better coach for what he is learning now, it's a shame he has to learn here instead of someone else paying for it.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
Wanting to get rid of Foster doesn't mean one becomes a Razor fanatic.
Not what I said.
The same changes in the global & NZ rugby environment impacted both coaches but too many unthinking morons told us with messianic fervour that was irrelevant - all ABs problems and losses were down to Foster and once Coach Jesus took over the sun would shine again.
Brain-dead thinking, of course, but at least the argument has moved on. It's not the head coach that's the problem now - it's the assistants....
Can you make an argument without insulting people?
I said: Wanting to get rid of Foster doesn't mean one becomes a Razor fanatic.
You said: all ABs problems and losses were down to Foster and once Coach Jesus took over the sun would shine again.Now you are saying "It's not the head coach that's the problem now - it's the assistants..." when many posts are saying it is both but they're very unlikely to fire Razor.
Twisty, twisty,
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I watched the ARP for the first time in a while, where they discussed possible replacements for Holland. It's all very well Parsons and Hall talking about some of the overseas options (Goodman, Evans, O'Gara, etc), but they failed to mention it would take a lot of money for them to leave their current NH role. Coaches are no different to players when it comes to $$. For those that haven't watched it, Goodman is a guest.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
I watched the ARP for the first time in a while, where they discussed possible replacements for Holland. It's all very well Parsons and Hall talking about some of the overseas options (Goodman, Evans, O'Gara, etc), but they failed to mention it would take a lot of money for them to leave their current NH role. Coaches are no different to players when it comes to $$. For those that haven't watched it, Goodman is a guest.
Well really Bovidae, they were just throwing out names. not saying who should get job, or talking pay etc. They didn't even look who was interested etc either just who could be looked at.
I had thought same thing as you when they listed them, but then thought well just you would think these names could possibly get thrown around. I actually enjoyed Goodman, and seems pretty calm fella, and doesn't seem to think he is ready for a head coaching job anywhere as yet, which seems to suggest a man who knows his abilties/experience etc. -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal That's not really what I'm arguing about though - I'm arguing that prior international experience isn't the be-all and end-all and pointing out a host of guys with loads of prior international experience who haven't been able arrest slides or are doing no better than Razor.
It's not everything, but funnily enough Sam Whitelock said in his book that he thought he thought Plumtree and Mooar weren't experienced enough at test level to be assistant coaches.
Mind you he a real believer it a massive step up to test rugby. -
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Interesting that Harry Plummer has been named 10 in the Top14 XV team of the month!
Legend! It'll be sad not seeing him in Blue next season.
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@nostrildamus The decline started with Foster’s appointment in 2019. We needed change after the 2019 semifinal as it was obvious from 2017-2019 that other teams had caught up. Keeping the status quo post-2019 was where this mess started. Foster’s losses made the public and media want change and pressure was building on NZR with each loss to do something. Robertson was the obvious and available choice due to his Super Rugby success. If Foster had a decent record, no one would be asking for Robertson. People have forgotten that under Foster we lost 6 out of 8 tests in 2021 and 2022, dropped to our lowest ranking (5th), lost a home series, 33% winning rate against top 5 teams, didn’t have a winning record against any of the top 5 teams. Foster’s incompetence created the rush to appoint Robertson. Robertson is not the saviour everyone thought he was. 2019 is where this mess started and it’s still continuing to this day. The Foster vs Robertson rivalry has been highly destructive to the All Blacks brand and legacy.
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We need to protect Roigard at all costs.
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@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
It was interesting eh. In general he does not seem at all shy about having a crack, so it was a bit strange to see him not have a go at all until so late.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
We need to protect Roigard at all costs.
Choo Choo.
Still one or two seats left on the Cam Wagon for any doubters.
