Scotland v All Blacks
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@kiwiinmelb said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@Mauss said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@jimmyb said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
After watching J Barrett play fullback at Leinster, I really think J Barrett 15, Jordan 14 gives us the best combo. Barrett is wasted at 12 despite often being the best back on the pitch
With Tupaea's form and the proven effectiveness of big midfield carriers in recent Tests (Tupaea, Fainga'anuku and Clarke), I think it's worth a shot.
Added to that, if you have Tupaea and Fainga'anuku in midfield, you need a better playmaker at fullback than what Jordan (currently) presents, so that would be either Jordie or McKenzie.
In a podcast a month or two ago , Victor matfield said , one thing we used to fear playing nz , was big fast physical backs that were difficult to tackle one on one and you don’t have that at the moment .
If the South Africans feared that , imagine what some of the others did .
With Jordie out and Fainga'anuku ( I appreciate being able to cut and paste that rather than trying to spell it myself ) making a decent fist of things perhaps injury is the best selector again ? Three Power runners in the backline as opposed to the zero that were there previously.
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@taniwharugby said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Both out Beehre called into ABs
Finally you're the Beehre of good news!
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@taniwharugby said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Any update on Scooter & Jordie?
Both out Beehre called into ABs
Not that he'll probably see any gametime this tour, but I'd love to see Beehre get a go off the bench. He's probably most suited to the bench lock position than anyone else currently available.
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@taniwharugby said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Any update on Scooter & Jordie?
Both out Beehre called into ABs
Christ, now even our best selector has gone to shit. Those are the wrong Barretts.
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@African-Monkey said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Not that he'll probably see any gametime this tour, but I'd love to see Beehre get a go off the bench. He's probably most suited to the bench lock position than anyone else currently available.
I was having another watch of the All Blacks XV game against the Barbarians yesterday and Beehre was absolutely melting people in the tackle and the clean.
He seems to genuinely enjoy playing the South Africans and the physical contest it brings, which is always a good sign for Test rugby. I’m not sure he’ll get an opportunity on this tour but it seems like a matter of time before he gets his shot.
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@Mauss said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@African-Monkey said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Not that he'll probably see any gametime this tour, but I'd love to see Beehre get a go off the bench. He's probably most suited to the bench lock position than anyone else currently available.
I was having another watch of the All Blacks XV game against the Barbarians yesterday and Beehre was absolutely melting people in the tackle and the clean.
He seems to genuinely enjoy playing the South Africans and the physical contest it brings, which is always a good sign for Test rugby. I’m not sure he’ll get an opportunity on this tour but it seems like a matter of time before he gets his shot.
The way I see it too. Really glad that he's in the picture.
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@African-Monkey said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@Mauss said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@African-Monkey said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Not that he'll probably see any gametime this tour, but I'd love to see Beehre get a go off the bench. He's probably most suited to the bench lock position than anyone else currently available.
I was having another watch of the All Blacks XV game against the Barbarians yesterday and Beehre was absolutely melting people in the tackle and the clean.
He seems to genuinely enjoy playing the South Africans and the physical contest it brings, which is always a good sign for Test rugby. I’m not sure he’ll get an opportunity on this tour but it seems like a matter of time before he gets his shot.
The way I see it too. Really glad that he's in the picture.
And the AB coaches see a big future for the kid. We never know how things will play out but I’m hopeful he may get a shot but more importantly have a big super season next year and be there come the RWC year.
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he appeared to put on some size in the 2024/2025 off season, which no doubt helps how he plays.
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@pakman said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@gt12 said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
He’s giving Squire Vibes a bit at the moment, as tbf, does Finau. Might be able to bully around against the less physical packs but might lack the edge against really physical sides.
In Parker’s defense, unlike the Chiefs, the ABs don’t have a clean-up specialist and don’t seem to take advantage of his strengths. He’s anonymous at LO time, and hardly used with ball in hand.
I’m becoming less and less convinced about Ryan - I cant think of a player, maybe Newell excepted, who actually looks the same or better at this level - that’s been a trademark of great ABs, as the level of play goes up, their performance rises alongside.
Despite his scoring achievements, for that reason I’m not prepared to say that Jordan is nearing ‘great AB’ status. Jordie can get there, maybe Clark if he stays healthy, Taylor might be the only other forward, but I don’t know if he is ‘better’.
Definitely none of the loosies are playing at ‘great’ level.
Beauden was a great AB, and Dmac will never get the chance.
I think Ryan has done an excellent job with tight five.
But aren't the loosies in Ray's purview?
Coaching and selection are different things.
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@Mauss said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@African-Monkey said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Not that he'll probably see any gametime this tour, but I'd love to see Beehre get a go off the bench. He's probably most suited to the bench lock position than anyone else currently available.
I was having another watch of the All Blacks XV game against the Barbarians yesterday and Beehre was absolutely melting people in the tackle and the clean.
He seems to genuinely enjoy playing the South Africans and the physical contest it brings, which is always a good sign for Test rugby. I’m not sure he’ll get an opportunity on this tour but it seems like a matter of time before he gets his shot.
This is an excellent selection to me, very pleasing to see him brought up.
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Beehre, another graduate from the 2022 NZ under 20 squad. With what that squad has already produced, it's cool to think some standouts from 2022 have yet to fully hit their straps - Haig, Hotham, Higgins, and Bell. No wonder they smacked the Aussies. It's a pity we never saw them on the world stage.
Adam Lennox
Cameron Millar
Essendon Tuitupou
Fabian Holland
Finn Hurley
George Bell
Harry Godfrey
Hayden Michaels
Jake Te Hiwi
Jamie Hannah
Joe Brial
Joel Lam
Jone Rova
Josh Bartlett
Josh Beehre
Lavengamonu Moli
Lucas Cashmore
Mackay Springer
Mason Tupaea
Nik Vikena
Noah Hotham
Oliver Haig
Peter Lakai
Raymond Tuputupu
Riley Higgins
Seb Calder
Siale Lauaki
Tahlor Cahill
Viliami Napa’a
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@Mauss said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@African-Monkey said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Not that he'll probably see any gametime this tour, but I'd love to see Beehre get a go off the bench. He's probably most suited to the bench lock position than anyone else currently available.
I was having another watch of the All Blacks XV game against the Barbarians yesterday and Beehre was absolutely melting people in the tackle and the clean.
He seems to genuinely enjoy playing the South Africans and the physical contest it brings, which is always a good sign for Test rugby. I’m not sure he’ll get an opportunity on this tour but it seems like a matter of time before he gets his shot.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Would like to have a closer look at Beehre or Shalfoon
I think Beehre is well suited to being a traditional blindside flanker.
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@gt12 said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@pakman said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@gt12 said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
He’s giving Squire Vibes a bit at the moment, as tbf, does Finau. Might be able to bully around against the less physical packs but might lack the edge against really physical sides.
In Parker’s defense, unlike the Chiefs, the ABs don’t have a clean-up specialist and don’t seem to take advantage of his strengths. He’s anonymous at LO time, and hardly used with ball in hand.
I’m becoming less and less convinced about Ryan - I cant think of a player, maybe Newell excepted, who actually looks the same or better at this level - that’s been a trademark of great ABs, as the level of play goes up, their performance rises alongside.
Despite his scoring achievements, for that reason I’m not prepared to say that Jordan is nearing ‘great AB’ status. Jordie can get there, maybe Clark if he stays healthy, Taylor might be the only other forward, but I don’t know if he is ‘better’.
Definitely none of the loosies are playing at ‘great’ level.
Beauden was a great AB, and Dmac will never get the chance.
I think Ryan has done an excellent job with tight five.
But aren't the loosies in Ray's purview?
Coaching and selection are different things.
If our forwards are practicing as 5 + 3, we really are fucked.It’s hard to coach lineout if the selectors pick three short arses?
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@Bones said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Yeah lots of posters seem to think he's a better shot at blindside, seemingly due to size? For this reason I was purposely noting his involvement on Saturday and he certainly didn't look outsized.
Don't disagree, but would be nice to have a reasonably settled 6/7/8 combination at some point in the near future.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@Bones said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Yeah lots of posters seem to think he's a better shot at blindside, seemingly due to size? For this reason I was purposely noting his involvement on Saturday and he certainly didn't look outsized.
Don't disagree, but would be nice to have a reasonably settled 6/7/8 combination at some point in the near future.
Well sure, although I'm extremely confused how your suggestion links to mine (and the irony of trying someone completely new in the interests of settling things is not lost).
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@Bones said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
@Bones said in Scotland Vs All Blacks, 8th November 2025:
Yeah lots of posters seem to think he's a better shot at blindside, seemingly due to size? For this reason I was purposely noting his involvement on Saturday and he certainly didn't look outsized.
Don't disagree, but would be nice to have a reasonably settled 6/7/8 combination at some point in the near future.
Well sure, although I'm extremely confused how your suggestion links to mine (and the irony of trying someone completely new in the interests of settling things is not lost).
Yeah, I was being ironic. Comes a point when you need to say "Enough new blokes. That's the combination we can develop the most so let's stick to it". Need to get there soon.
