All Blacks 2025
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
It was interesting eh. In general he does not seem at all shy about having a crack, so it was a bit strange to see him not have a go at all until so late.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
We need to protect Roigard at all costs.
Choo Choo.
Still one or two seats left on the Cam Wagon for any doubters.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
We need to protect Roigard at all costs.
I agree but based on the last game there is the potential they will over play him.
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Here are some of the loose forward stats for the AB season. I don't have any ruck stats which is obviously a big part of the puzzle. Probably shouldn't have included Papali'i since he only played 14 minutes. His stats are extrapolated. Tupou Vaa'i and Finau also played at lock.
Carries Per 80 Minutes
22.86 Dalton Papali'i
15.21 Wallace Sititi
13.56 Samipeni Finau
12.48 Ardie Savea
11.06 Christian Lio Willie
10.0 Peter Lakai
9.03 Du'Plessis Kirifi
5.5 Simon Parker
5.49 Tupou Vaa'iTackles Per 80 Minutes
14.66 Simon Parker
14.31 Christian Lio Willie
13.55 Du'Plessis Kirifi
12.88 Samipeni Finau
12.5 Peter Lakai
11.56 Wallace Sititi
11.37 Ardie Savea
10.83 Tupou Vaa'i
5.71 Dalton Papali'iCarries + Tackles Per 80 Minutes
28.57 Dalton Papali'i
26.77 Wallace Sititi
26.44 Samipeni Finau
25.37 Christian Lio Willie
23.85 Ardie Savea
22.58 Du'Plessis Kirifi
22.5 Peter Lakai
20.15 Simon Parker
16.32 Tupou Vaa'iTotal Impact Plays Per 80 Minutes
( Tries + Try Assists + Clean Breaks + Offloads + Defenders Beaten + Turnovers Won + Dominant Tackles )
11.42 Dalton Papali'i
7.15 Ardie Savea
7 Wallace Sititi
4.06 Samipeni Finau
3.9 Christian Lio Willie
3.55 Du'Plessis Kirifi
3.4 Tupou Vaa'i
2.85 Simon Parker
2.5 Peter Lakai -
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
We need to protect Roigard at all costs.
I agree but based on the last game there is the potential they will over play him.
Getting Pledger in the squad next year will help.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
We need to protect Roigard at all costs.
I agree but based on the last game there is the potential they will over play him.
Getting Pledger in the squad next year will help.
There will be competition between Ratima, Hotham, Preston and Pledger
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
We need to protect Roigard at all costs.
I agree but based on the last game there is the potential they will over play him.
He'll be fine for this season. He hasn't exactly played every test this season missing both Argie tests, both Bok tests and the third French test
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
Am I misremembering also that he was pretty fucking sloppy to start with? I'm sure I recall passes going all over the show.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
Am I misremembering also that he was pretty fucking sloppy to start with? I'm sure I recall passes going all over the show.
Yeah and a bit slow at clearing the ball, didn't seem to wake up until about 60 mins, needs to be better.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
Am I misremembering also that he was pretty fucking sloppy to start with? I'm sure I recall passes going all over the show.
Yeah and a bit slow at clearing the ball, didn't seem to wake up until about 60 mins, needs to be better.
About the time our forwards actually started playing like forwards....
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
Am I misremembering also that he was pretty fucking sloppy to start with? I'm sure I recall passes going all over the show.
Yeah and a bit slow at clearing the ball, didn't seem to wake up until about 60 mins, needs to be better.
Oi! Keep complaining and Roigard will change sports, leaving us with Christie! This guy is class.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
Am I misremembering also that he was pretty fucking sloppy to start with? I'm sure I recall passes going all over the show.
Yeah and a bit slow at clearing the ball, didn't seem to wake up until about 60 mins, needs to be better.
Oi! Keep complaining and Roigard will change sports, leaving us with Christie! This guy is class.
If you want to jump off the wagon, you can walk home!Hey hey, I was first on the wagon, I just know he can be better. Let's hope he reverts to that running game earlier in a game than what he did in Chicago.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow That's Scott Hansen at the moment.
No that is Tamati Ellison he is defence coach.
Hansen is backline strategic coaching and planning and also working with the Hbs and First Fives.Sounds like the backline buck stops with Hansen.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow That's Scott Hansen at the moment.
No that is Tamati Ellison he is defence coach.
Hansen is backline strategic coaching and planning and also working with the Hbs and First Fives.Sounds like the backline buck stops with Hansen.
Yes it does
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
Am I misremembering also that he was pretty fucking sloppy to start with? I'm sure I recall passes going all over the show.
Yeah and a bit slow at clearing the ball, didn't seem to wake up until about 60 mins, needs to be better.
i saw the same thing you did but came to a slightly different conclusion, we were very slow getting into shape, roigard would get to the breakdown and look up and player were still in motion positioning themselves
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
Am I misremembering also that he was pretty fucking sloppy to start with? I'm sure I recall passes going all over the show.
Yeah and a bit slow at clearing the ball, didn't seem to wake up until about 60 mins, needs to be better.
Oi! Keep complaining and Roigard will change sports, leaving us with Christie! This guy is class.
If you want to jump off the wagon, you can walk home!Hey hey, I was first on the wagon, I just know he can be better. Let's hope he reverts to that running game earlier in a game than what he did in Chicago.
Are you still on the Proctor bandwagon or have you switched to the Leicester express ?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Well he is a key player for sure, but some of this stuff is a bit over the top. He wasn't the best 9 on the field in his last game, despite the try.
Yeah, I felt it was odd that Roigard waited until the last 20 mins to run the ball. Pretty much all he did before that was pass, pass, pass.
I think he just needs to demand the ball and back himself to get the team moving forward more.
Am I misremembering also that he was pretty fucking sloppy to start with? I'm sure I recall passes going all over the show.
Yeah and a bit slow at clearing the ball, didn't seem to wake up until about 60 mins, needs to be better.
Oi! Keep complaining and Roigard will change sports, leaving us with Christie! This guy is class.
If you want to jump off the wagon, you can walk home!Hey hey, I was first on the wagon, I just know he can be better. Let's hope he reverts to that running game earlier in a game than what he did in Chicago.
Are you still on the Proctor bandwagon or have you switched to the Leicester express ?
I still think Proctor is someone to persist with and I'm sure he'll get another chance at some point, he's still a class act but needs to learn how to make more of an impact at test level. Tupaea rightfully deserved his opportunity and then Leicester also looked good. I don't mind who's in the jersey out of those three, as long as we don't revert back to Ioane or ALB.
