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@MacDazzler said in Exodus:
@Mauss Kai Pearce-Paul was hyped to be the English SBW by media and Super League fans and seeing a few of his games over the last few years, I'm yet to see the hype around him.
correct which is also why its not hard to predict someone could be more athletic than him. KPP is tall, doesn't really offer footwork, runs ok lines but has long arms allowing for a good offload. If Perkins can play 80 mins at a good work rate, he's "athletic"
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As it stands, the professional rugby league options available to NZ’s best and brightest young players far outweigh the equivalent in rugby union. There are six Super Rugby franchises based in NZ. Playing anywhere else makes them ineligible for the All Blacks and the bumper payday that comes with the black jersey.
By comparison, there are 17 NRL clubs. For now.This is odd, as playing NRL makes them ineligible for the All Blacks too, and if they're good enough they can make a bumper payday in the NH too. (Also, my technical brain seems to be getting worse, now I can't remember how to do quotes.)
I think they're trying to say by removing the ABs for comparison purposes because if you go offshore you lose access to both, whether it be league or union. They then line up the NZ super clubs vs all NRL clubs for spots. What they didnt also say is also why a lot of young rugby talent also plays rugby elsewhere and not NZ for the same reasons they're making. Earn cash faster essentially.
I cant help feel though that there is more young talent players in first grade NRL (under 21) playing each week than in NZ Super first teams. (which is another comparison they're alluding to indirectly, excluding NPC ). I dont have facts for this but would be interesting to know, but would assume with more teams its seems likely.
And lastly my other thought would be if Australian rugby still had its appeal as to where it did in 2000, then this article doesn't happen.
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@nonpartizan said in Exodus:
I wonder if in 30 years time or a few decades down the line at least you will have two landing spots for the talent -
a). NRL/Australia or
b). Top 14/France.This would be a disaster.
This would make me in favour of R360.
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@bayimports said in Exodus:
correct which is also why its not hard to predict someone could be more athletic than him. KPP is tall, doesn't really offer footwork, runs ok lines but has long arms allowing for a good offload. If Perkins can play 80 mins at a good work rate, he's "athletic"
But that’s not what O’Sullivan is saying, though. When talking about the athleticism of tall guys, what is referred to is things like movement, dexterity, balance, explosiveness, not work rate. It’s in regards to one of the typical “flaws” of a tall body: that you’re gangly, slow to turn and lack coordination. That’s what O’Sullivan is referring to when talking about Perkins’ athleticism: “He’s well put together. He moves well, beautiful balance.”
Kai-Pearce Paul might not be a great league player but I think it’s fair to say that, as an athlete, he’s very coordinated and balanced. He can accelerate off both feet and change direction quickly, he’s quick off the ground and he’s got good hand-eye coordination. I still think it’s quite a statement to say that “he’s more athletic than Kai Pearce-Paul”.
Just because I wanted to make sure that I wasn’t imagining things, I re-watched the second NZ Schools game against Australia U18, solely looking at the involvements of Perkins. He’s just not a very dynamic player: his movements into contact can be slow and awkward, both carrying and tackling, and he’s not particularly light on his feet. He was often targeted in the defensive line by Australian carriers, as they were able to consistently make big metres in his channel. It wasn't pretty.
Anyway, I’m going to leave it at that. I often follow dual-code players in their rugby league pathways so I’ll do the same with Perkins. Hopefully he can make it to the highest level and make me look, once again, like an idiot.
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Hopefully he can make it to the highest level and make me look, once again, like an idiot.
been there done that
, this is the fern, we all have opinions that players make fools of us sometimes.. you might even join the rest of us mere mortals occasionally. Although your analysis will not see you matched often!I would suggest though after listening to a lot of league recruiters, Sullivan saw a few games even if not letting on (honesty is not always what they lead with), whether live or on video before making a decision, secondly its his role to talk a player up.
My point being, KPP is not a high bar to reach.. so even if he makes first grade (which he might not), he would not have to do much to better him.
Now watch KPP smash out big stats next year lol
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Montpellier are trying to sign Reihana whose contract with the Crusaders ends in 2026.
Wouldn’t blame him at all if he left.
Razor has made it clear that it’s Richie’s AB 10 jersey with BB and Dmac behind. Crusaders have got Richie back along with Kemara signed through 2028.
If he does in fact leave, this is the exact trickle down effect a lot of people have been concerned about with bringing Mounga back.
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Bringing players back is good. But they should be made to re-earn selection, and they should not be coming back on short term contracts for the WC, that is just bullshit. The Mounga situation is one player having his cake and eating it too, while others who help NZ rugby rather than themselves get the pinnacle of the game taken away from them.
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@Landers92 said in Exodus:
Montpellier are trying to sign Reihana whose contract with the Crusaders ends in 2026.
Wouldn’t blame him at all if he left.
Razor has made it clear that it’s Richie’s AB 10 jersey with BB and Dmac behind. Crusaders have got Richie back along with Kemara signed through 2028.
If he does in fact leave, this is the exact trickle down effect a lot of people have been concerned about with bringing Mounga back.
He's also seeing BB get wheeled out for every game right now, DMac next in line. Plummer was the 10 of SR a couple of years ago and didn't get a look in. There is no reasonable chance to advance with this current management
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@Landers92 said in Exodus:
Montpellier are trying to sign Reihana whose contract with the Crusaders ends in 2026.
Wouldn’t blame him at all if he left.
Razor has made it clear that it’s Richie’s AB 10 jersey with BB and Dmac behind. Crusaders have got Richie back along with Kemara signed through 2028.
If he does in fact leave, this is the exact trickle down effect a lot of people have been concerned about with bringing Mounga back.
He's also seeing BB get wheeled out for every game right now, DMac next in line. Plummer was the 10 of SR a couple of years ago and didn't get a look in. There is no reasonable chance to advance with this current management
He, Reihana, is yet to show he is anything more than an average level super 10 who happened to play for the winners. The Crusaders didn't win because of him. He also didn't cause the Saders to lose, which is a boxed ticked I suppose.
Reihana didn't look AB level the times I watched him in the NPC this year. I can see why he isn't getting picked yet.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Exodus:
@Landers92 said in Exodus:
Montpellier are trying to sign Reihana whose contract with the Crusaders ends in 2026.
Wouldn’t blame him at all if he left.
Razor has made it clear that it’s Richie’s AB 10 jersey with BB and Dmac behind. Crusaders have got Richie back along with Kemara signed through 2028.
If he does in fact leave, this is the exact trickle down effect a lot of people have been concerned about with bringing Mounga back.
He's also seeing BB get wheeled out for every game right now, DMac next in line. Plummer was the 10 of SR a couple of years ago and didn't get a look in. There is no reasonable chance to advance with this current management
He, Reihana, is yet to show he is anything more than an average level super 10 who happened to play for the winners. The Crusaders didn't win because of him. He also didn't cause the Saders to lose, which is a boxed ticked I suppose.
Reihana didn't look AB level the times I watched him in the NPC this year. I can see why he isn't getting picked yet.
Fair point. Hopefully he stays because his chance will come post 2027
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@Crazy-Horse IMO he played better at super than npc, didnt make some of the errors there that he did in npc.
Has promise for sure, but next year's super will be telling for him, staying injury free will be key, as that is what opened the door for him to get back in over Kemara, after he himself was injured for pre-season.
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To be fair, to date hes a 25 year old who has played maybe 20 games of super rugby? If he doesnt take it, hes banking on being a ~27 year old in 2028 hoping to have a break out season and make the ABs. risky at best unless he really loves playing super rugby
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@DurryMexted said in Exodus:
To be fair, to date hes a 25 year old who has played maybe 20 games of super rugby? If he doesnt take it, hes banking on being a ~27 year old in 2028 hoping to have a break out season and make the ABs. risky at best unless he really loves playing super rugby
Even without RM, he would be lucky to start for the Saders next season. This way he can parlay his winning run in SR last year into a big money deal offshore
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@DurryMexted said in Exodus:
To be fair, to date hes a 25 year old who has played maybe 20 games of super rugby? If he doesnt take it, hes banking on being a ~27 year old in 2028 hoping to have a break out season and make the ABs. risky at best unless he really loves playing super rugby
Short career for these guys, especially nowadays they are protected a bit from 20-22 and often can't get a run, then finally get a few chances and have to make the most of them. If they can't make hay in the 24-odd months (23-25) when they get their shot, it's time to look overseas.
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@gt12 Yeah its actually tough. They have to time their run very well and get lucky with a super rugby starting or solid bench role (without just getting shuffled to fullback) around age 23-24 and make a good fist of it. Probably quite clear in the Jacomb situation that he sees it that way. Poor Reihana nearly had the perfect situation before Mounga decided to waltz back in.
Unlike outside backs, midfielders, 9s, loosies and all tight 5 - who expect rotation every game or have multiple positions to have a crack at, if you're a 10 and not playing 80 mins most games in super rugby, you have little to no chance of cracking ABs as a 10
