Scotland v All Blacks
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@brodean said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Razor has put all his hopes in RM being the man for us in 2027. If he isn't, he should be sent packing as an AB coaching failure
33 year old Richie Mo'unga isn't going to be better than the likes of Sacha FM and Willemse.
Or DMac probably
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@ACT-Crusader said in Scotland v All Blacks:
I haven’t turned completely cynical when it comes to the economics of international rugby, but with the influence Beaudie had on securing a major multimillion dollar sponsorship deal and the fact he signed that 4 year deal back in 2023 after he cashed in at Suntory, it all adds up or perhaps it doesn’t…..
Expected a fresh approach when Robertson took over and was a bit surprised when BB signed that 4 year contract.
Then thought it made sense in some ways to have a senior bloke in the squad or 23 for experience or mentoring, but it seems to have morphed into a guaranteed appearance thing. It's a bit weird as you say.
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@taniwharugby said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish unfortunately both Fozzie and Razor were reluctant to really push the boat out and be bold.with some selections, instead just kept on selecting players despite obvious replacements not.being there.
Which one 1 hand is why they played these guys as much, but it also puts a roadblock up.
For Fozzie, we were lucky with Aaron Smiths form.and longevity, but for Razor, every test BB plays is another Dmac doesn't get or Jacomb or Reihana dont either, and while they may not seem ready, some players respond to the .higher level better, but if they never get a chance to.
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish unfortunately both Fozzie and Razor were reluctant to really push the boat out and be bold.with some selections, instead just kept on selecting players despite obvious replacements not.being there.
Which one 1 hand is why they played these guys as much, but it also puts a roadblock up.
For Fozzie, we were lucky with Aaron Smiths form.and longevity, but for Razor, every test BB plays is another Dmac doesn't get or Jacomb or Reihana dont either, and while they may not seem ready, some players respond to the .higher level better, but if they never get a chance to.
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
Two years into the cycle and I don't see a structure that will get us to RWC glory. Maybe we just aren't seeing the whole picture
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@BerniesCorner said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@mohikamo said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Not exactly a hot take here, but I don't think any of the current 10s running about in NZ rugby will be the next long-term All Blacks playmaker - not Jacomb, not Reihana, not Love.
Yes.
Lookin down the depth chart rn, I do not see any potential DCs.
The post BB/Dmac/RM AB 10 is not in sight yet.
Hope he comes in to view soon.Well injury-forced selections
the godshave been very generous last couple of years for props, locks, loose forwards. There is hope.Fixed it.
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@pakman said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Anyone got a link to good stats database covering game? Interested in tackle completions/misses by player.
The RugbyPass match page has a reasonable statistical overview:
New Zealand vs Scotland | Scotland vs New Zealand | Match Stats | Internationals Live
Looking for New Zealand vs Scotland? We got you covered. We have the most up to date scores, game stats & results here.
Their stats for tackles completed/missed are relatively reliable, although sometimes I end up with slightly different numbers. To use a somewhat controversial example around here: RugbyPass recorded just the one tackle for Frizell in the RWC final but when I watched it again, I saw him make multiple completed attempts.
So if you really want to make sure, I still think it's best to player-cam the specific player (although that's obviously quite time-consuming, especially if you can't speed up the footage).
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@Mauss said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@pakman said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Anyone got a link to good stats database covering game? Interested in tackle completions/misses by player.
The RugbyPass match page has a reasonable statistical overview:
New Zealand vs Scotland | Scotland vs New Zealand | Match Stats | Internationals Live
Looking for New Zealand vs Scotland? We got you covered. We have the most up to date scores, game stats & results here.
Their stats for tackles completed/missed are relatively reliable, although sometimes I end up with slightly different numbers. To use a somewhat controversial example around here: RugbyPass recorded just the one tackle for Frizell in the RWC final but when I watched it again, I saw him make multiple completed attempts.
So if you really want to make sure, I still think it's best to player-cam the specific player (although that's obviously quite time-consuming, especially if you can't speed up the footage).
Have you given us a match review yet Mauss?
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@canefan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish unfortunately both Fozzie and Razor were reluctant to really push the boat out and be bold.with some selections, instead just kept on selecting players despite obvious replacements not.being there.
Which one 1 hand is why they played these guys as much, but it also puts a roadblock up.
For Fozzie, we were lucky with Aaron Smiths form.and longevity, but for Razor, every test BB plays is another Dmac doesn't get or Jacomb or Reihana dont either, and while they may not seem ready, some players respond to the .higher level better, but if they never get a chance to.
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
Two years into the cycle and I don't see a structure that will get us to RWC glory. Maybe we just aren't seeing the whole picture
Remember our forward pack a couple of years ago. Light years ahead now. At one stage we didn't have a prop.
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@canefan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Have you given us a match review yet Mauss?
Well, I don't know if I would call it a review but I did look at the game a bit more closely, by focusing on how the return of the offload in recent Tests has influenced the AB attack.
It's post #962 in this thread.
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@BerniesCorner said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish unfortunately both Fozzie and Razor were reluctant to really push the boat out and be bold.with some selections, instead just kept on selecting players despite obvious replacements not.being there.
Which one 1 hand is why they played these guys as much, but it also puts a roadblock up.
For Fozzie, we were lucky with Aaron Smiths form.and longevity, but for Razor, every test BB plays is another Dmac doesn't get or Jacomb or Reihana dont either, and while they may not seem ready, some players respond to the .higher level better, but if they never get a chance to.
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
Two years into the cycle and I don't see a structure that will get us to RWC glory. Maybe we just aren't seeing the whole picture
Remember our forward pack a couple of years ago. Light years ahead now. At one stage we didn't have a prop.
Tight 5 are on track. Loosies are a mish mash complicated by Ardie being first man on the sheet. Backline a work in progress to put it nicely
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It's probably going to be Savea-Sititi and Lakai this Saturday v England. We are going to find out a lot about the loosies. The combo wasn't a problem v Scotland. Looks like Lakai could be a long term prospect.
The running of S-S-L is pretty hard to counter for the opposition. -
@BerniesCorner I want Parker in 23, and think it makes sense for him to start. Wally is brilliant to come off bench at about 50.
Flexibility to end with SSP or SSL depending on how things are panning out. -
Fair point, cant argue with that.
My brain still thinks rugby is a 15 man game with oranges at half time but that's just me. -
@BerniesCorner said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Remember our forward pack a couple of years ago.
Yep, sure do.
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Ok. 3 years ago
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@BerniesCorner said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Ok. 3 years ago
Ah, those far-off days when we actually won Rugby Championships....
I think the forwards certainly have more potential and depth than 2-3 years ago and the likes of Tupou Vaa'i & De Groot from that period have really grown, but we haven't a settled & balanced 6/7/8 playing well together yet. Good foundations though.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
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@nostrildamus said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
I used the simple past tense. You seem to have read it as the present perfect tense.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
I used the simple past tense. You seem to have read it as the present perfect tense.
Oh you mean he has 4 years before the RWC but you're judging him now before son of Surf Jesus rises from the waves of Japan? Ok then.
