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All Blacks 2025

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  • B brodean

    @frugby said in All Blacks 2025:

    @LABCAT He may well have been our best, but 4 tries in 21 games, including 3 in 3 NPC games is a woeful strike rate.

    The All Black attack has been poor. Before we faced Australia in the RC this year we had scored the least amount of tries of any team. There has been no improvement in this. Even today we struggled to make ground against England.

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

    @frugby said in All Blacks 2025:

    @LABCAT He may well have been our best, but 4 tries in 21 games, including 3 in 3 NPC games is a woeful strike rate.

    The All Black attack has been poor. Before we faced Australia in the RC this year we had scored the least amount of tries of any team. There has been no improvement in this. Even today we struggled to make ground against England.

    No wonder our attack looks garbage

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    • JetJ Jet

      Devlin gone off on them.

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      @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

      Devlin gone off on them.

      I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.

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      • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

        @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

        Devlin gone off on them.

        I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.

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        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:

        @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

        Devlin gone off on them.

        I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.

        I agree with you.
        If more assistants go it's a tacit admission he himself has to go, as that would be 4 or 5 assistants gone in 2 years.

        I havnt seen any players improve under him bar Fletcher Newell and maybe Ryan gets the credit for that.
        His press conferences are atrocious.
        Selection is atrocious.
        Tactics are atrocious.
        His accountability and squad culture is atrocious.

        He deserved to be given the job when he got it.

        He doesnt deserve to keep it.

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          For what it's worth, Razor's press conferences were pretty dire for the Saders too, but that got over looked because he was winning. He really struggles to articulate. I wonder what he is like when addressing the players?

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          • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

            @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

            Devlin gone off on them.

            I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.

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            @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:

            @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

            Devlin gone off on them.

            I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.

            NZR has never sacked a SR coach let alone and AB coach. Sacking all his assistants is the only realistic outcome

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            • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

              For what it's worth, Razor's press conferences were pretty dire for the Saders too, but that got over looked because he was winning. He really struggles to articulate. I wonder what he is like when addressing the players?

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              @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:

              For what it's worth, Razor's press conferences were pretty dire for the Saders too, but that got over looked because he was winning. He really struggles to articulate. I wonder what he is like when addressing the players?

              He seems more of a Ra-Ra type guy than a methodical thoughtful leader

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              • canefanC canefan

                @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:

                For what it's worth, Razor's press conferences were pretty dire for the Saders too, but that got over looked because he was winning. He really struggles to articulate. I wonder what he is like when addressing the players?

                He seems more of a Ra-Ra type guy than a methodical thoughtful leader

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                How Tamati Ellison still has a job is beyond me. Talk about failing upwards. We ship 30+ points multiple times a season - and guess what, we lose games as a result. It's awful.

                As for the cards, it's the way WR want the game reffed these days. it sucks. So I listened to most of the game drifting around on my yak this morning ... not surprised by the result unfortunately. The fishing was better than the rugby!

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                • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                  For what it's worth, Razor's press conferences were pretty dire for the Saders too, but that got over looked because he was winning. He really struggles to articulate. I wonder what he is like when addressing the players?

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                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:

                  For what it's worth, Razor's press conferences were pretty dire for the Saders too, but that got over looked because he was winning. He really struggles to articulate. I wonder what he is like when addressing the players?

                  I heard he uses pictures of dogs barking at sheep to get his point across

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                  • JetJ Jet

                    27 Tests into Razors tenure and nobody other than Beaudy and DMAC has started at 10.

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                    @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                    27 Tests into Razors tenure and nobody other than Beaudy and DMAC has started at 10.

                    That stat is obscene

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                    • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                      @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                      Devlin gone off on them.

                      I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.

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                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:

                      @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                      Devlin gone off on them.

                      I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.

                      Probably because Fozzie was afforded that , he thinks that’s the acceptable way of changing things up without going the full sacking

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                        Another game confirming my beliefs:
                        The team is poorly selected. Poorly coached. Poorly lead

                        Razor is an idiot. His assistants are massively out of their depth.

                        And nothing will signify change from this erosion of excellence, this slide into mediocrity until Ardie's performance is reflected in his selection.

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                          #8156

                          We have a whole lot of players who are all at very similar levels. Or there is a lack of trust in guys who should get a go.

                          We just need to roll the dice on some lads.

                          The treatment of Reuben Love is such a joke. If he is rated. Give the kid a go. At the momemt he is just an exceptionally expensive dirt tracker. Run him at 10. See if it works.

                          I want to see Super teams. Develop bench specialists. Then the ABs pick bench specialists. I think of guys like Hurley, Fakatava, Tosi, Aumua/Taukei'aho. Guys who can lift the intensity. Not the next man up. Paddy T another classic example at lock (although will.always start for the Blues).

                          It is nuts that ALB is considered a guy who is seen as a worthwhile option to come on with 30 to go. Who are our misfilders who csn terroise tired teams? Or an outside back who can do the same.

                          Why are we picking lumbering or slow outside backs. Is LF fast enough to be a winger? If not. Don’t play him there. Pick him as a centre.

                          We need to be more open in trying things. Whether it is Love, Tangitau, Fakatava, bringing back Papali’i, thinking whether the captain is the best player in his position or if Savea is best suited to wearing no 20.

                          We also need to consider whether more needs to be intvested invested into having the ABXV play more. The Maori side is important from a heritage perspective. It just excludes a lot of players from a mid-season high performance perspective.

                          We need a team picked on form. Not just on continuity of selection. Players who deserve to be picked should be. Players who should be dropped need to be.

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                            Surely NZR could save a bunch of cash by sending a squad of 23 and if they need additional they get them from the AB XV since Razor isn't interested in using his wider squad.

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                            • antipodeanA antipodean

                              Surely NZR could save a bunch of cash by sending a squad of 23 and if they need additional they get them from the AB XV since Razor isn't interested in using his wider squad.

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                              @antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                              Surely NZR could save a bunch of cash by sending a squad of 23 and if they need additional they get them from the AB XV since Razor isn't interested in using his wider squad.

                              We should be playing the ABXV before every All Black game. Have our high perpfrmance guys playing not holding tackle bags and wearing suits in the stand.

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                                #8159

                                Our loose forwards remain a problem. Lakai put in a lot of effort but his actual impact was Blackadder like. He has a slightly lower workrate than Blackadder but is more accurate. He has so far not been a high impact player at test level.

                                Its pretty disappointing when a back in Proctor makes the most tackles in the team and the starting loose forwards rank 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles completed in what was a poor defensive effort overall.

                                According to the rugbypass stats Sititi made zero tackles despite being on the field for 26 minutes.

                                Tupaea, Lord, and Newell made more tackles than Savea and Lakai despite the former three being subbed for the final quarter while the two loosies played the entire game.

                                The loosies did not pull their weight in defence and this is not the first time this year. Have they been told to hang off tackles and look for turnovers or is that the way they play at Super level too? Whatever it is it's not working.

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                                  The team needs to start with a blank sheet of paper,, forget what’s known, ignore players’ past exploits and design a plan from scratch. Then pick the players who fit, as if assessing them for the first time. Every tactic, role and structure should be rebuilt around what could actually work, not what’s been tried so far. .

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                                  • ShaquilleOatmealS ShaquilleOatmeal

                                    The team needs to start with a blank sheet of paper,, forget what’s known, ignore players’ past exploits and design a plan from scratch. Then pick the players who fit, as if assessing them for the first time. Every tactic, role and structure should be rebuilt around what could actually work, not what’s been tried so far. .

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                                    @ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:

                                    The team needs to start with a blank sheet of paper,, forget what’s known, ignore players’ past exploits and design a plan from scratch. Then pick the players who fit, as if assessing them for the first time. Every tactic, role and structure should be rebuilt around what could actually work, not what’s been tried so far. .

                                    That's kind of what I expected from Razor in the first place

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                                    • B brodean

                                      Our loose forwards remain a problem. Lakai put in a lot of effort but his actual impact was Blackadder like. He has a slightly lower workrate than Blackadder but is more accurate. He has so far not been a high impact player at test level.

                                      Its pretty disappointing when a back in Proctor makes the most tackles in the team and the starting loose forwards rank 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles completed in what was a poor defensive effort overall.

                                      According to the rugbypass stats Sititi made zero tackles despite being on the field for 26 minutes.

                                      Tupaea, Lord, and Newell made more tackles than Savea and Lakai despite the former three being subbed for the final quarter while the two loosies played the entire game.

                                      The loosies did not pull their weight in defence and this is not the first time this year. Have they been told to hang off tackles and look for turnovers or is that the way they play at Super level too? Whatever it is it's not working.

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                                      @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      Our loose forwards remain a problem. Lakai put in a lot of effort but his actual impact was Blackadder like. He has a slightly lower workrate than Blackadder but is more accurate. He has so far not been a high impact player at test level.

                                      Its pretty disappointing when a back in Proctor makes the most tackles in the team and the starting loose forwards rank 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles completed in what was a poor defensive effort overall.

                                      According to the rugbypass stats Sititi made zero tackles despite being on the field for 26 minutes.

                                      Tupaea, Lord, and Newell made more tackles than Savea and Lakai despite the former three being subbed for the final quarter while the two loosies played the entire game.

                                      The loosies did not pull their weight in defence and this is not the first time this year. Have they been told to hang off tackles and look for turnovers or is that the way they play at Super level too? Whatever it is it's not working.

                                      Parker made nine tackles and apparently two runs for no metres. That's Owen Franks level impact with ball in hand.

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                                      • MN5M MN5

                                        @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        Our loose forwards remain a problem. Lakai put in a lot of effort but his actual impact was Blackadder like. He has a slightly lower workrate than Blackadder but is more accurate. He has so far not been a high impact player at test level.

                                        Its pretty disappointing when a back in Proctor makes the most tackles in the team and the starting loose forwards rank 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles completed in what was a poor defensive effort overall.

                                        According to the rugbypass stats Sititi made zero tackles despite being on the field for 26 minutes.

                                        Tupaea, Lord, and Newell made more tackles than Savea and Lakai despite the former three being subbed for the final quarter while the two loosies played the entire game.

                                        The loosies did not pull their weight in defence and this is not the first time this year. Have they been told to hang off tackles and look for turnovers or is that the way they play at Super level too? Whatever it is it's not working.

                                        Parker made nine tackles and apparently two runs for no metres. That's Owen Franks level impact with ball in hand.

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                                        @MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        Our loose forwards remain a problem. Lakai put in a lot of effort but his actual impact was Blackadder like. He has a slightly lower workrate than Blackadder but is more accurate. He has so far not been a high impact player at test level.

                                        Its pretty disappointing when a back in Proctor makes the most tackles in the team and the starting loose forwards rank 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles completed in what was a poor defensive effort overall.

                                        According to the rugbypass stats Sititi made zero tackles despite being on the field for 26 minutes.

                                        Tupaea, Lord, and Newell made more tackles than Savea and Lakai despite the former three being subbed for the final quarter while the two loosies played the entire game.

                                        The loosies did not pull their weight in defence and this is not the first time this year. Have they been told to hang off tackles and look for turnovers or is that the way they play at Super level too? Whatever it is it's not working.

                                        Parker made nine tackles and apparently two runs for no metres. That's Owen Franks level impact with ball in hand.

                                        Can that really be considered playing both sides of the ball?

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                                        • canefanC canefan

                                          @MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          Our loose forwards remain a problem. Lakai put in a lot of effort but his actual impact was Blackadder like. He has a slightly lower workrate than Blackadder but is more accurate. He has so far not been a high impact player at test level.

                                          Its pretty disappointing when a back in Proctor makes the most tackles in the team and the starting loose forwards rank 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles completed in what was a poor defensive effort overall.

                                          According to the rugbypass stats Sititi made zero tackles despite being on the field for 26 minutes.

                                          Tupaea, Lord, and Newell made more tackles than Savea and Lakai despite the former three being subbed for the final quarter while the two loosies played the entire game.

                                          The loosies did not pull their weight in defence and this is not the first time this year. Have they been told to hang off tackles and look for turnovers or is that the way they play at Super level too? Whatever it is it's not working.

                                          Parker made nine tackles and apparently two runs for no metres. That's Owen Franks level impact with ball in hand.

                                          Can that really be considered playing both sides of the ball?

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                                          @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          Our loose forwards remain a problem. Lakai put in a lot of effort but his actual impact was Blackadder like. He has a slightly lower workrate than Blackadder but is more accurate. He has so far not been a high impact player at test level.

                                          Its pretty disappointing when a back in Proctor makes the most tackles in the team and the starting loose forwards rank 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles completed in what was a poor defensive effort overall.

                                          According to the rugbypass stats Sititi made zero tackles despite being on the field for 26 minutes.

                                          Tupaea, Lord, and Newell made more tackles than Savea and Lakai despite the former three being subbed for the final quarter while the two loosies played the entire game.

                                          The loosies did not pull their weight in defence and this is not the first time this year. Have they been told to hang off tackles and look for turnovers or is that the way they play at Super level too? Whatever it is it's not working.

                                          Parker made nine tackles and apparently two runs for no metres. That's Owen Franks level impact with ball in hand.

                                          Can that really be considered playing both sides of the ball?

                                          He gets selected so apparently it can. Great use of his size.

                                          How is 0 metres from two runs even possible ? Do they round each metre down ?

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