All Blacks 2025
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor needs to be put on notice by losing all his assistants except Ryan
The list of assistant coaches who would be willing to work with Robertson must be low. He's exhausted nearly everyone from the Crusaders system.
He doesn't get to choose. I want him to feel uncomfortable, he's been far too comfortable. Someone higher up should choose. Jamie Joseph will probably be one, a guy who seems no nonsense and bled black when he was a player.
Given Leon McDonald lasted two months as an assistant in this regime, I'd give Joseph two days tops.
What would his role be anyway? Been a long time since he was an assistant coach
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@hikastags said in All Blacks 2025:
I’m really not sure why people think Jamie Joseph and Vern Crotter are viable alternatives. Between them they have one domestic title and tier 2 international experience (yes Scotland when vern crotter was coaching them may have well be tier 2).
If you think Robertson wasn’t ready for international coaching, not sure how those two qualify
Crotter had a great squad in Scotland and turned it into a muddling mess and wasted a great generation of players. One super rugby season doesn’t mean a lot I’m afraid
It's the experience more than anything. Coached in the UK, France, Fiji, NZ, and I think that's valuable. Our best coach ever Steve Hansen went 10 Wins and 20 Losses coaching Wales.
Vern took over Leon who couldn't win with the Blues so clearly an improvement. And got far more out of his players at the Blues than anyone else has managed to in a long, long time.
I like this post as it is a good place to rewind to, remembering that Tony Brown had not agreed to work with South Africa until after Razor was appointed the AB coach.
I'm going to ignore the option of Razor joining the AB coaching team at some point - which I'm sure was an option offered to him.
Let's say that NZRU is a competent organization and that they agreed to appoint the next coach either in 2021 or post WC in 2023. Let's say 2023.
We could have ended up with Schmidt, Cotter, Ryan, and Brown as the AB coaching team....
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@nostrildamus Yeah, come 2027 he’ll be in the frame for Ireland when his contract expires at La Rochelle just before Farrell’s does at the RWC.
He will no doubt coach Ireland at some point and also has currency in France now. His coaching staff is mostly French so he probably wouldn’t be bringing a team with him if he did return to NZ. So it would likely be a choice of family lifestyle - his youngest would be 13-ish come 2027, oldest around 19 - and then if he could get a mix of coaches, whether he’s an AC or HC that he’d be happy with.
If he was a success at the ABs he walks into Ireland, if he isn’t he probably still does. But it wouldn’t work the other way around.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
Is Rennie in the frame?
Right now? No one is in the frame. Robertson will not get sacked.
No coach with ambition of being the head coach should want to be his assistant either. He’s stubborn and nothing is changing
So do we just watch the standing and reputation of our team go down the toilet for 2 more years until Razor gets the boot at the end of a disastrous RWC campaign?
This is my worry. Serious damage being done here.
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Part of the reason why Rassie is so admired is that he put in place the systems that have elevated SA to the heights they are now at. He poured over the structural issues in Bok rugby as the General Manager: High Performance teams in 2012, before leaving for Munster and returning as the Director of rugby and Bok coach.
He had a forensic understanding of the talent that was available and also the bottlenecks that were stopping them from reaching their potential. He also oversaw a major revamp of the coaching structures and pathways. His legacy is so much more than just the Boks and WC triumphs and will likely last for a while after he calls it a day.
Henry did this for the ABs in 2004. He implemented the player led approach and massively changed the way that super rugby coaches worked together to develop players for the benefit of the ABs and developed the playing style the ABs were famed for (combining tough forward play with smarts and players who could solves issues as they unfolded with mental strength).
Do NZ have someone like Henry now? Wayne Smith is a creative, out of the box thinker - he isn’t the systems/process guy NZ needs. He works best in the right structure.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders that's all well and good, but....pored.
Pored? Or bored?
Maybe in this instance it's boerd
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor needs to be put on notice by losing all his assistants except Ryan
The list of assistant coaches who would be willing to work with Robertson must be low. He's exhausted nearly everyone from the Crusaders system.
I'd be more worried about the people who've been sounded out to be Assistants and run for the hills.
Would you want "Assistant AB Coach under Scott Robinson" on your CV right now?
Sub-assistant coach under Scott Hansen?
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
Part of the reason why Rassie is so admired is that he put in place the systems that have elevated SA to the heights they are now at. He poured over the structural issues in Bok rugby as the General Manager: High Performance teams in 2012, before leaving for Munster and returning as the Director of rugby and Bok coach.
He had a forensic understanding of the talent that was available and also the bottlenecks that were stopping them from reaching their potential. He also oversaw a major revamp of the coaching structures and pathways. His legacy is so much more than just the Boks and WC triumphs and will likely last for a while after he calls it a day.
Henry did this for the ABs in 2004. He implemented the player led approach and massively changed the way that super rugby coaches worked together to develop players for the benefit of the ABs and developed the playing style the ABs were famed for (combining tough forward play with smarts and players who could solves issues as they unfolded with mental strength).
Do NZ have someone like Henry now? Wayne Smith is a creative, out of the box thinker - he isn’t the systems/process guy NZ needs. He works best in the right structure.
Where can we find details of what he actually did and changed that you talk about?
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
Part of the reason why Rassie is so admired is that he put in place the systems that have elevated SA to the heights they are now at. He poured over the structural issues in Bok rugby as the General Manager: High Performance teams in 2012, before leaving for Munster and returning as the Director of rugby and Bok coach.
He had a forensic understanding of the talent that was available and also the bottlenecks that were stopping them from reaching their potential. He also oversaw a major revamp of the coaching structures and pathways. His legacy is so much more than just the Boks and WC triumphs and will likely last for a while after he calls it a day.
Henry did this for the ABs in 2004. He implemented the player led approach and massively changed the way that super rugby coaches worked together to develop players for the benefit of the ABs and developed the playing style the ABs were famed for (combining tough forward play with smarts and players who could solves issues as they unfolded with mental strength).
Do NZ have someone like Henry now? Wayne Smith is a creative, out of the box thinker - he isn’t the systems/process guy NZ needs. He works best in the right structure.
Good post.
Forensic is the right word. The thing about Rassie is the guy is so meticulous and so detail oriented.
Like, how he noticed that the French did not scrum the Boks much in a match so in the next one they took a scrum from a mark in their own 22.. Those type of innovations show his attention to detail around everything, including the laws. Even that lineout gimmick came from watching schools rugby. Rassie pays attention.
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I wonder how much of a problem Scott Hansen is?
With both Leon and Holland quitting, which I don't think we have seen before, there has to be something going on.
Wonder if either or someone else involved will ever spill the beans.Whatever is going on, obviously something has to change, but we all know after 2 years of this crap, nothing is going to change.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders that's all well and good, but....pored.
Pored? Or bored?
Maybe in this instance it's boerd
Sublime.
