All Blacks 2025
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I wonder how much of a problem Scott Hansen is?
With both Leon and Holland quitting, which I don't think we have seen before, there has to be something going on.
Wonder if either or someone else involved will ever spill the beans.Whatever is going on, obviously something has to change, but we all know after 2 years of this crap, nothing is going to change.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders that's all well and good, but....pored.
Pored? Or bored?
Maybe in this instance it's boerd
Sublime.
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@Darren said in All Blacks 2025:
I wonder how much of a problem Scott Hansen is?
With both Leon and Holland quitting, which I don't think we have seen before, there has to be something going on.
Wonder if either or someone else involved will ever spill the beans.Whatever is going on, obviously something has to change, but we all know after 2 years of this crap, nothing is going to change.
He has a bad case of small man syndrome methinks
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@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Still nothing compared to the media firestorm Fozzie had to face
I think that's largely because Foster took over a good team, whereas Razor took over a bit of a shit show. It's deterioration vs going nowhere.
Cue someone saying 'oh we should have won the WC final with 14 men but for the ref'... yeah nah bullshit, we were crap and the good performances were the outliers. -
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Still nothing compared to the media firestorm Fozzie had to face
I think that's largely because Foster took over a good team, whereas Razor took over a bit of a shit show. It's deterioration vs going nowhere.
Cue someone saying 'oh we should have won the WC final with 14 men but for the ref'... yeah nah bullshit, we were crap and the good performances were the outliers.I'd argue that the team Fozzie inherited were already on the way down as demonstrated by our 2019 loss. I think Fozz got a lot of shit because there was fatigue for the outgoing coaching group by that time, and he didn't seem like he had the credentials for the HC gig
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@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Still nothing compared to the media firestorm Fozzie had to face
I think that's largely because Foster took over a good team, whereas Razor took over a bit of a shit show. It's deterioration vs going nowhere.
Cue someone saying 'oh we should have won the WC final with 14 men but for the ref'... yeah nah bullshit, we were crap and the good performances were the outliers.I'd argue that the team Fozzie inherited were already on the way down as demonstrated by our 2019 loss. I think Fozz got a lot of shit because there was fatigue for the outgoing coaching group by that time, and he didn't see like he had the credentials for the HC gig
Maybe on the way down, but we definitely got a lot worse under his coaching.
You could argue we have got worse under Robertson too. % results are probably similar, but our losses are probably worse.
Regardless, Foster probably suffered comparatively in the media from expectations being higher at that time is my point. -
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Still nothing compared to the media firestorm Fozzie had to face
I think that's largely because Foster took over a good team, whereas Razor took over a bit of a shit show. It's deterioration vs going nowhere.
Cue someone saying 'oh we should have won the WC final with 14 men but for the ref'... yeah nah bullshit, we were crap and the good performances were the outliers.I'd argue that the team Fozzie inherited were already on the way down as demonstrated by our 2019 loss. I think Fozz got a lot of shit because there was fatigue for the outgoing coaching group by that time, and he didn't see like he had the credentials for the HC gig
Maybe on the way down, but we definitely got a lot worse under his coaching.
You could argue we have got worse under Robertson too. % results are probably similar, but our losses are probably worse.
Regardless, Foster probably suffered comparatively in the media from expectations being higher at that time is my point.We were spoilt after years of winning well
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
This thing about Love not being fast enough seems odd to me and seems to be cropping up more and more. He's certainly never looked to lack for pace and I'd be interested in what express fullbacks other top tier nations have (outside SA).
He doesn't look particularly quick to me. Quick enough to play fullback absolutely, but quick enough to dominate the AB jersey for 6-8 years and be best in the world, maybe not - whereas I think there is a chance he could do that at 10.
Probably more important is that while we start BB, there's a '10 is where the gaping hole is' factor. But now I'm on board your anti-Jordan train, fuck it why not: Love for fullback.
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@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Still nothing compared to the media firestorm Fozzie had to face
I think that's largely because Foster took over a good team, whereas Razor took over a bit of a shit show. It's deterioration vs going nowhere.
Cue someone saying 'oh we should have won the WC final with 14 men but for the ref'... yeah nah bullshit, we were crap and the good performances were the outliers.I'd argue that the team Fozzie inherited were already on the way down as demonstrated by our 2019 loss. I think Fozz got a lot of shit because there was fatigue for the outgoing coaching group by that time, and he didn't seem like he had the credentials for the HC gig
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Still nothing compared to the media firestorm Fozzie had to face
I think that's largely because Foster took over a good team, whereas Razor took over a bit of a shit show. It's deterioration vs going nowhere.
Cue someone saying 'oh we should have won the WC final with 14 men but for the ref'... yeah nah bullshit, we were crap and the good performances were the outliers.I'd argue that the team Fozzie inherited were already on the way down as demonstrated by our 2019 loss. I think Fozz got a lot of shit because there was fatigue for the outgoing coaching group by that time, and he didn't seem like he had the credentials for the HC gig
That is disgusting revisionism
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@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Still nothing compared to the media firestorm Fozzie had to face
I think that's largely because Foster took over a good team, whereas Razor took over a bit of a shit show. It's deterioration vs going nowhere.
Cue someone saying 'oh we should have won the WC final with 14 men but for the ref'... yeah nah bullshit, we were crap and the good performances were the outliers.I'd argue that the team Fozzie inherited were already on the way down as demonstrated by our 2019 loss. I think Fozz got a lot of shit because there was fatigue for the outgoing coaching group by that time, and he didn't seem like he had the credentials for the HC gig
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Still nothing compared to the media firestorm Fozzie had to face
I think that's largely because Foster took over a good team, whereas Razor took over a bit of a shit show. It's deterioration vs going nowhere.
Cue someone saying 'oh we should have won the WC final with 14 men but for the ref'... yeah nah bullshit, we were crap and the good performances were the outliers.I'd argue that the team Fozzie inherited were already on the way down as demonstrated by our 2019 loss. I think Fozz got a lot of shit because there was fatigue for the outgoing coaching group by that time, and he didn't seem like he had the credentials for the HC gig
That is disgusting revisionism
Care to elaborate? I was as critical of Fozzie as anyone. And he made lots of mistakes in selection and in gameplan. Things didn't seem to improve until Ryan and Schmidt joined him. But Razor's record probably isn't much better, and some of our play has been as bad. So I'm curious to hear your argument
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@DurryMexted @reprobate yeah I think he's easily fast enough, would easily match up with any other prospect, apart from Jordan - although he doesn't seem to be as quick as he was, that swerve is something else though.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DurryMexted @reprobate yeah I think he's easily fast enough, would easily match up with any other prospect, apart from Jordan - although he doesn't seem to be as quick as he was, that swerve is something else though.
Someone like Kneepkens would be quicker I would have thought. Not that he doesn't have some weaknesses too of course.
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@Darren said in All Blacks 2025:
I wonder how much of a problem Scott Hansen is?
With both Leon and Holland quitting, which I don't think we have seen before, there has to be something going on.
Wonder if either or someone else involved will ever spill the beans.Whatever is going on, obviously something has to change, but we all know after 2 years of this crap, nothing is going to change.
MacDonald quit because he wanted to be the lead coach, which is the gig that Razor gave to Hansen instead.
Who knows why Holland's walking - could be he's seen the writing on the wall and wants to leave on his own terms.
