All Blacks 2025
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
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@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
You can't say its "DP's decision" unless you have some evidence that Razor actually picked him and DP said no.
Razor: "Dalton I've picked you for the All Blacks"
DP: "No thanks.
Nailed it bruv
Got the 'call up' whilst with the ABXVs
Said thanks but no thanks.
Won't play for a coach he has lost respect for
NZRU considering sanction/fine of some
kind.
He got shafted last year around the time of the Northern tour and again this year.
Was it (this years shafting) to do with his non selection? Yes and no.Ok if that's his principled position then fair enough.
Im out of touch with the younger generation. They are a lot more high minded than me.
Im more inclined to grub around in the mud if I have to get the things I think will benefit my family in the long run.
Ive been critical of Razor and I dont like Ryan but at the end of the day they are just like everyone else - flawed human beings. A bit of forgiveness rather than holding grudges and seeking revenge can be beneficial.
On the other hand sometimes its not worth getting involved with toxic people.
Tough position.
One thing is for certain, if players are refusing to accept call ups then the ABs current culture as at an all time low.
Good post.
A bit beyond this thread, but as someone who works with new young people every year, I would say that our generations focus on pragmatism has become dramatically less important - some will act against their best interests emphasizing personal well being and current priorities in a way that I find bizarre but does seem to actually work for them (btw, I'm not talking about the feverish, ideological purity of this generation to some ideas, despite clear evidence to the contrary in support of a doctrine).
Let's see where this lands, I suspect we'll have to wait for some biographies to find out.
I think Dalton wants to play. Just as Akira and Hoskins did. But you can only put yourself up to get knocked down and passed over by lesser players so often before you stop
Especially when the likes of CLW has a decent season, not awesome, just decent, and gets elevated off the back of it or Kirifi gets elevated after toiling away for years and isn't a success.
Man, I went to bed last night not expecting to wake up this morning and see multiple threads with wagons being circled for Razor..
CLW was the best forward on the Crusadersr team this year. Played a pretty integral role in us winning games.
Yeah, I said he had a decent season.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
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@Old-Alleynians said in All Blacks 2025:
I am told after Taylor's 100th in Argentina - only the Crusaders players in the squad went to his room to drink with him. I cannot say who the source is so take it as you will.
i find this a little hard to believe given Taylor is a 10-year hundred-plus cap AB who has played for years with a huge number of the squad no matter where they are from. Given this is his 3rd AB coaching group, even if this turned out to be accurate, i would find it difficult to pin on the current environment. Maybe he's just a prick?
If it was a select invite event, having only Crusaders in the room to celebrate becoming an All Black test centurion would seem a little odd..?
Without this becoming a purple monkey dishwasher event, I did hear there were more than just crusaders, but predominantly crusaders, a few others did turn up, but a lot abstained due to certain coaches attending.
So slight difference but the core message was the same
I was there and was responsible for not passing on the invite to all the players, but extending it to the coaching staff.
my bad, if you're doing the invite, you can do what you like!.. i had just re read the initial post that you had replied to saying it was just crusaders.. I just tagged on, wasn't having a go at your comment
although I would imagine if you were inviting crusaders it would likely be to watching themselves burn.. could be fun
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Old-Alleynians said in All Blacks 2025:
I am told after Taylor's 100th in Argentina - only the Crusaders players in the squad went to his room to drink with him. I cannot say who the source is so take it as you will.
So we're back to the cliques of the Mitchell years (and previous) then.
Cliques yes. I can tell you last season was the exact same.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
How many All Blacks would make a World XV at the moment?
would Holland be in the top 5 worldwide locks? Maybe not now I think about it.
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@bayimports said in All Blacks 2025:
Without this becoming a purple monkey dishwasher event, I did hear there were more than just crusaders, but predominantly crusaders, a few others did turn up, but a lot abstained due to certain coaches attending.
are we allowed any clues?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
With all this great âinsightâ, I guess jeggaâs breakfast with ABs has officially been surpassed
Joe Moody, Liam Squire, Jerome Kaino and Damien McKenzie if memory serves.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2025:
sure, but it's pretty grouse stuff bro - get in!
Is that Hawkeye? Do the ABs have the superpowers of Hawkeye minus the archery set? Explains a lot!
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
The problem is, the lack of visible signs that those in charge see it the same.
That is the very, very concerning thing to me.
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@mariner4life struggling to understand what this coaching team are seeing right now.
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In more positive news, this season is nearly over.
Next year, things will change - because they have to. David Kirk won't put up with any bullshit. Either this coaching team turns it around, The assistants go and things improve, or Robertson is sacked by the EOYT.
I don't really see any other scenarios.
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Just listened to Scott Hansen's press conference.
The guy sounds like a politician and a total buffoon. Hopefully he's the next one to leave the All Blacks followed by Razor and Ryan.
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Bloody hell this thread has got a bit spicy ,
If the rumours are true we are fucked , itâs hard for a coach to turn that stuff around
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@kiwiinmelb in this woke new world, does NZR have the courage to be brave?
When is it too late for nzr to deal with Razor if we dont see changes with his coaching entourage?
I mean with the SA tour looming, keep this shit up, it could be ugly.
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Holy fuck I hadn't read this thread in a few days and only just caught up now, I've been missing out! Absolutely top notch Ferning lads, quality stuff, the most entertaining read I've had in yonks.
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One thing I will add, is calling Dalton a "fringe AB" is the height of absurdity. He has been the best 7 in NZ for years, and was better than Cane in Cane's final year. I didn't have a problem with them starting Cane though, he was the AB captain, an absolute fucking warrior on the field (Christ what we'd do to have a player like him on the field right now), and was playing to a high standard himself.
But like Cane was the obvious successor to McCaw, Dalton was the obvious successor to Cane. But then fat fuck Ryan and comb over Robertson got put in charge, and he hasn't been sighted since. He has been absolutely screwed by these clowns, and worse still it's the ABs that have suffered as a result.
I see horseshit comments on here like "If Dalton is our saviour then we are really in trouble!", which is so fucking stupid because a) nobody ever claimed that, because no one player in a team of 23 will ever be a fucking "saviour", and b) it seems to indicate you are fine with the coaches NOT picking the best players in the country?? Why the fuck would you be OK with that? NZ is a small country with a small player base, we cannot in a million years refuse to pick our best players and then expect to be able to compete with huge countries like SA and England.
For fucks sake just put JJ in charge to see if he can salvage something from this mess before the SA tour and subsequent RWC.
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@game_film said in All Blacks 2025:
Iâm familiar with a few NZ journo/broadcaster types but donât know much about Mark Watson. He doesnât pull any punches here. Love the passion, heâs on the verge of tears.
A goose from yesteryear
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb in this woke new world, does NZR have the courage to be brave?
When is it too late for nzr to deal with Razor if we dont see changes with his coaching entourage?
I mean with the SA tour looming, keep this shit up, it could be ugly.
I said it before, the more I hear the more I think his position is untenable. Rip the scab clean off, install JJ to try to rebuild the spirit of the group and some accountability before it's too late
