All Blacks 2025
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@bayimports said in All Blacks 2025:
Without this becoming a purple monkey dishwasher event, I did hear there were more than just crusaders, but predominantly crusaders, a few others did turn up, but a lot abstained due to certain coaches attending.
are we allowed any clues?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
With all this great “insight”, I guess jegga’s breakfast with ABs has officially been surpassed
Joe Moody, Liam Squire, Jerome Kaino and Damien McKenzie if memory serves.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2025:
sure, but it's pretty grouse stuff bro - get in!
Is that Hawkeye? Do the ABs have the superpowers of Hawkeye minus the archery set? Explains a lot!
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
The problem is, the lack of visible signs that those in charge see it the same.
That is the very, very concerning thing to me.
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@mariner4life struggling to understand what this coaching team are seeing right now.
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In more positive news, this season is nearly over.
Next year, things will change - because they have to. David Kirk won't put up with any bullshit. Either this coaching team turns it around, The assistants go and things improve, or Robertson is sacked by the EOYT.
I don't really see any other scenarios.
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Just listened to Scott Hansen's press conference.
The guy sounds like a politician and a total buffoon. Hopefully he's the next one to leave the All Blacks followed by Razor and Ryan.
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Bloody hell this thread has got a bit spicy ,
If the rumours are true we are fucked , it’s hard for a coach to turn that stuff around
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@kiwiinmelb in this woke new world, does NZR have the courage to be brave?
When is it too late for nzr to deal with Razor if we dont see changes with his coaching entourage?
I mean with the SA tour looming, keep this shit up, it could be ugly.
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Holy fuck I hadn't read this thread in a few days and only just caught up now, I've been missing out! Absolutely top notch Ferning lads, quality stuff, the most entertaining read I've had in yonks.
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One thing I will add, is calling Dalton a "fringe AB" is the height of absurdity. He has been the best 7 in NZ for years, and was better than Cane in Cane's final year. I didn't have a problem with them starting Cane though, he was the AB captain, an absolute fucking warrior on the field (Christ what we'd do to have a player like him on the field right now), and was playing to a high standard himself.
But like Cane was the obvious successor to McCaw, Dalton was the obvious successor to Cane. But then fat fuck Ryan and comb over Robertson got put in charge, and he hasn't been sighted since. He has been absolutely screwed by these clowns, and worse still it's the ABs that have suffered as a result.
I see horseshit comments on here like "If Dalton is our saviour then we are really in trouble!", which is so fucking stupid because a) nobody ever claimed that, because no one player in a team of 23 will ever be a fucking "saviour", and b) it seems to indicate you are fine with the coaches NOT picking the best players in the country?? Why the fuck would you be OK with that? NZ is a small country with a small player base, we cannot in a million years refuse to pick our best players and then expect to be able to compete with huge countries like SA and England.
For fucks sake just put JJ in charge to see if he can salvage something from this mess before the SA tour and subsequent RWC.
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@game_film said in All Blacks 2025:
I’m familiar with a few NZ journo/broadcaster types but don’t know much about Mark Watson. He doesn’t pull any punches here. Love the passion, he’s on the verge of tears.
A goose from yesteryear
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb in this woke new world, does NZR have the courage to be brave?
When is it too late for nzr to deal with Razor if we dont see changes with his coaching entourage?
I mean with the SA tour looming, keep this shit up, it could be ugly.
I said it before, the more I hear the more I think his position is untenable. Rip the scab clean off, install JJ to try to rebuild the spirit of the group and some accountability before it's too late
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
This is the problem I have with the Paps scenario and by extension Akira (don't tell me he wouldn't have stayed if they asked) and Hoskins. He was given work ons and he appears to have done what they asked. But he still doesn't get picked and lots of fans would base their opinions on whether he should get another shot or not purely on past performance. But if we did that we would have never seen the best from rodders or Kaino, who were both dropped and told to go away and work on stuff. I think we can all agree they ended up having pretty good AB careers the second time around
Why do we have Sititi replacing Parker when they are completely different players? Even the Chiefs were replacing similar for similar in Finau for Parker.
I think Robertson decided at the start of this year that he wanted to have 1 x lump + Savea + Sititi. The latter two being considered too good to leave out. Because of that, his lump needs to be a first class lineout target, a defensive enforcer and effective ball carrier in heavy traffic, and have a massive workrate hitting rucks and making tackles. Unfortunately for us that player doesn't exist.
Sititi post-injury and shift to 8 and a tighter role underwhelmed. So he's now gone with Lakai to start and Sititi on the bench, but this changes little as Lakai is predominantly a carrier too, and not the biggest guy, and not a lineout target.Parker can't last 80 even at Super level, so he has to be replaced. We aren't clever enough / too risk averse to have 2 loosies on the bench. And as per above, Sititi too good to leave out.
Sititi isnt too good to leave out. Hes been inconsistent. What did he do in the weekend?
Zero tackles in 26 minutes.
And two important penalties conceded, one being the coup de grace.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2025:
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@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal The Ardie situation is arguably even tougher than the BB situation. It feels like the Barrett situation will run its course following this tour, where he physically is not up to it and its fairly obvious even to the lesser engaged fans. Beaudie could retire from international footy or just have an 'injury cloud' and fade into a much lesser role in the squad. Its not a hard decision for Razor to make.
Ardie on the other hand is actually still in seemingly great physical condition, but is just refusing to be a role player in the team. For one, its not immediately clear that the coaching staff even see this issue, but assuming they actually do some analysis on this - Razor has to either re-train him into actually peforming his core role (& him actually doing it on the field) or drop him for an actual 7 who can and will tackle and hit rucks all day. For a coach/organisation that seems to be so heavily dictated by broader influence, i dont see this happening until it becomes so bad that everyone starts to agree (as per BB situation) and even then all it takes is a short instagram snippet of a turnover or big dummie and the masses will be satisfied that all is well. I just cant see a situation where Ardie is dropped, and i cant see one where he changes his play. So will be a holding pattern through to the RWC
The BB situation has a limited timeline because of Mo'unga coming back anyway - it's just a disgusting shortsighted waste of development opportunity which will leave us in a worse position post WC.
Ardie is a problem, which becomes a bigger problem if you want to pick Sititi too.
Well, Mounga was missing tackles six years ago in vital games, so that's unlikely to improved as time has marched on.
His one trick is using his speed to fix forwards in the backline, again at what 33(?) that pace has to be fading, and it was a trick that worked great at super rugby level but was only effective at Test level against minnows.
He's not the answer either, just another step in the lowering the AB standard down from Test level to Super Rugby level. We'll look great with a lead, score some pretty trys in some games, and as soon as the heat comes in with a team with a strong forward pack and strong defence, we'll crack like we have for the past 18 months.
If we don't change the coaches now we have little chance of winning a QF in a World Cup, yet alone winning the thing. And we'll have more record losses on the way.
Yeah look I don't see Mo'unga as the solution to the ABs problems - and if he is, it's a very short term one - but he is the end of the BB problem.
Be careful what you wish for is my warning, things are going to get worse IMO. If we pick has-been-never-was type players like RM, the worse will be coming quickly.
Robertson is coming across as someone looking for magic solutions.
Someone looking for that final piece of the jigsaw without knowing what the completed jigsaw looks like.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean preach.
@Bones had been pointing out weaknesses in Jordan's game for years. I agreed, but it was a lonely place until everyone else catches up that while there are real strengths but also real weaknesses
Jordan's weaknesses can be mitigated on the wing and he's a real threat there. At 15. he's exposed. Needs to be moved.
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@Victor-Meldrew He seems like he thinks everything will just fall into place for him the way it has at lower levels and doesn’t understand why things aren’t going well. How can the players not be playing well when that’s what I want them to do?
