All Blacks 2025
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
Another quote from the article @tim linked to
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan. Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. As Robertson confirmed to the Herald this week in Cardiff, it is his assistant, Scott Hansen, who effectively operates in the role most would recognise as the head coach.the question needs to be asked that if Hansen had applied to be the head coach in 2023, would he have been given the role?Worth repeating, this is why Leon MacDonald left. He believed he was going to have more of a say but then discovered he was effectively reporting into Hansen.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
That's a fascinating article - confirms a lot of what has been suspected.
Mainly that Mark Robinson has a lot to answer for. That simpleton has singlehandedly ruined NZ rugby.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Worth repeating, this is why Leon MacDonald left. He believed he was going to have more of a say but then discovered he was effectively reporting into Hansen.
Something you heard from a source or read?
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@nostrildamus Source, but I'm sure it's been written about too at this stage.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
Another quote from the article @tim linked to
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan. Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. As Robertson confirmed to the Herald this week in Cardiff, it is his assistant, Scott Hansen, who effectively operates in the role most would recognise as the head coach.the question needs to be asked that if Hansen had applied to be the head coach in 2023, would he have been given the role?It's all starting to make sense now.
There's a golden rule politicians know about trying to use the media - Ride the tiger and the tiger will eventually eat you.
NZR should've kept the RWC 23 team.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Worth repeating, this is why Leon MacDonald left. He believed he was going to have more of a say but then discovered he was effectively reporting into Hansen.
Something you heard from a source or read?
If Hansen has that much power he should have applied as head coach.He could have had Razor as assistant "Cool Uncle".
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Source, but I'm sure it's been written about too at this stage.
I'm really quite shocked but it does tie together some disturbing patterns. Mostly around the backline.
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If the NZR are such nimwits that they don't have decent controls they should all resign or retire en masse.
If Razor had enough power to make them appoint him to a contract until the end of the RWC but he isn't really head coach then he should have the power to actually lead. On the other hand the contract might be contestable, they're employing him as head coach not an assistant.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor is banking on the Saders to be back to their best in 2025 and that there will be a few players making a breakout seasons. Just my thoughts. Saders are seldom as bad as 2024, and they still have a lot of developing players coming through with a point to prove.
This aged well! The AB coaches, not so much.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Sell, to be fair, I was.
7 championship wins in a row is a good record.
Losing 5 out of 6 internationals in a row is not.“We were not being coached well enough,” Whitelock wrote in his autobiography Samuel Whitelock: View from the Second Row. “We needed to change. I recognised that after the northern tour at the end of 2021, when we were well beaten by France and Ireland and, in my opinion, had prepared too many excuses for our under-performance."Sam Whitelock: 'All Blacks were not being coached well enough'
All Blacks legend Sam Whitelock has opened up on the tumultuous period under Ian Foster which saw two members of the coaching staff replaced.
Is it a good read, his book? I like his perspective. But it sounds like none of Foster, the NZR, or Razor are the answer.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Sell, to be fair, I was.
7 championship wins in a row is a good record.
Losing 5 out of 6 internationals in a row is not.“We were not being coached well enough,” Whitelock wrote in his autobiography Samuel Whitelock: View from the Second Row. “We needed to change. I recognised that after the northern tour at the end of 2021, when we were well beaten by France and Ireland and, in my opinion, had prepared too many excuses for our under-performance."
All Blacks legend Sam Whitelock has opened up on the tumultuous period under Ian Foster which saw two members of the coaching staff replaced.
Is it a good read, his book? I like his perspective. But it sounds like none of Foster, the NZR, or Razor are the answer.
The team improved markedly once they got quality assistants.
The lesson, especially as it pertains to Schmidt, in my mind, is that we need to have at least one assistant who would be chased by international teams.
The successful AB coaching teams have had such talent.
Which raises the question: Would any of these assistants be a strong candidate for Australia? Scotland?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
That's a fascinating article - confirms a lot of what has been suspected.
Mainly that Mark Robinson has a lot to answer for. That simpleton has singlehandedly ruined NZ rugby.
Shitty All Black, shitty CEO
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
Apparently Razor said he was going to head overseas so NZR bent over and signed him instead of letting him leave. That's looking increasingly like a poor decision
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
Apparently Razor said he was going to head overseas so NZR bent over and signed him instead of letting him leave. That's looking increasingly like a poor decision
Did anybody think he'd shit the bed this bad? I fucking didn't .
I just don't know how to approach this at the minute.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
Apparently Razor said he was going to head overseas so NZR bent over and signed him instead of letting him leave. That's looking increasingly like a poor decision
Did anybody think he'd shit the bed this bad? I fucking didn't .
I just don't know how to approach this at the minute.
He always struck me as being a Ra Ra guy. But I assumed he actually coached his teams. Fire Hansen, install another assistant/HC to steady the ship
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
Apparently Razor said he was going to head overseas so NZR bent over and signed him instead of letting him leave. That's looking increasingly like a poor decision
Did anybody think he'd shit the bed this bad? I fucking didn't .
I just don't know how to approach this at the minute.
It's hard to think of a coach who has had so much goodwill going into the job and tanked it completely.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
That's a fascinating article - confirms a lot of what has been suspected.
Mainly that Mark Robinson has a lot to answer for. That simpleton has singlehandedly ruined NZ rugby.
100% this
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Inside Rugby: Chairman Kirk's nuclear option for coaching dilemma
OPINION: David Kirk has acknowledged All Blacks appointment process was flawed.
The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.
Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.
Thats a grim, deflating read.
We are in trouble folks.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
Ardie proving the fern wrong yet again
Beauden unlucky to miss out.
Has Savea even had a good season by his own standards?
I'll check his instagram
Has he still got that stupid pic of him sitting against the goalpost looking into the sky contemplating life after the England test?
I did it and went into the comments section of that pic on instagram ,
Most of it was along the lines of ,
if everyone tried as hard as him we wouldnt lose a game , or - this poor bugger busts his guts out every game, he deserves better
im probably not as anti Ardie as some on here , but I do think there is some serious delusional stuff going on with the general public
He has good parts to his game, but he's really starting to annoy me. He's playing for his own image and is playing like a glory hunter. He knows what he's doing.
i am not willing to go that far. To me he is a victim of a distinct lack of accountability. A hard nose coach in teh video session shows us losing that ruck on the line with him standing at first receiver and tells him if it happens again then someone will be found who will hit that ruck.
In the 2023 RWC Ardie played tight as shit. Hard carries, hit rucks, and we were so much better for it. He was given a job and did it. This coaching panel has decided the best use of him is for Ardie to do what he wants. The great unwashed only watch who has the ball anyway, so to them he's killing it (despite an enormously reduced effectiveness this year).
Hit a ruck you cat!!
I shudder at the thought of how the idiotic masses would view McCaw in this day and age...
