All Blacks 2025
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Inside Rugby: Chairman Kirk's nuclear option for coaching dilemma
OPINION: David Kirk has acknowledged All Blacks appointment process was flawed.
The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.
Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.
Thats a grim, deflating read.
We are in trouble folks.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
Ardie proving the fern wrong yet again
Beauden unlucky to miss out.
Has Savea even had a good season by his own standards?
I'll check his instagram
Has he still got that stupid pic of him sitting against the goalpost looking into the sky contemplating life after the England test?
I did it and went into the comments section of that pic on instagram ,
Most of it was along the lines of ,
if everyone tried as hard as him we wouldnt lose a game , or - this poor bugger busts his guts out every game, he deserves better
im probably not as anti Ardie as some on here , but I do think there is some serious delusional stuff going on with the general public
He has good parts to his game, but he's really starting to annoy me. He's playing for his own image and is playing like a glory hunter. He knows what he's doing.
i am not willing to go that far. To me he is a victim of a distinct lack of accountability. A hard nose coach in teh video session shows us losing that ruck on the line with him standing at first receiver and tells him if it happens again then someone will be found who will hit that ruck.
In the 2023 RWC Ardie played tight as shit. Hard carries, hit rucks, and we were so much better for it. He was given a job and did it. This coaching panel has decided the best use of him is for Ardie to do what he wants. The great unwashed only watch who has the ball anyway, so to them he's killing it (despite an enormously reduced effectiveness this year).
Hit a ruck you cat!!
I shudder at the thought of how the idiotic masses would view McCaw in this day and age...
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Incidentally, my youngest son, himself an openside when he plays rugby, spent a couple of weeks going on every Ardie social media post he could find posting variations of "tiktok player, hit a ruck you cat" and reveling in the abuse he received in reply.
While i can't condone rage baiting randoms on social media, i thought that was fucking hilarious.
Why are you hacking your youngest son's social media?
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Inside Rugby: Chairman Kirk's nuclear option for coaching dilemma
OPINION: David Kirk has acknowledged All Blacks appointment process was flawed.
The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.
Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.
Thats a grim, deflating read.
We are in trouble folks.
Big trouble. We have Scott Hansen coaching the side with Razor doing the pilates side of things and have to tour the republic for 4 fucken tests next year!
One thing that really annoyed me about the 3 part Razor wankfest run by Jim Kayes was when he was extremely dismissive about getting experience overseas and said something along the lines of 'Why do i need overseas experience? I spent time over there as a player!' He lost me right there. Did he think he'd walk into international rugby thinking the opposition was the same level as the Waratahs and Force or something?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Incidentally, my youngest son, himself an openside when he plays rugby, spent a couple of weeks going on every Ardie social media post he could find posting variations of "tiktok player, hit a ruck you cat" and reveling in the abuse he received in reply.
While i can't condone rage baiting randoms on social media, i thought that was fucking hilarious.
You both sound like absolute flops.
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@Tim I think I am going to vom
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan.
Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. -
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
Apparently Razor said he was going to head overseas so NZR bent over and signed him instead of letting him leave. That's looking increasingly like a poor decision
Did anybody think he'd shit the bed this bad? I fucking didn't .
I just don't know how to approach this at the minute.
It's hard to think of a coach who has had so much goodwill going into the job and tanked it completely.
Is this not just a hangover from the glory days when the abs were dominant? (Circa 2016 or so) The expectation became that they win every match and when that doesn’t happen, people start screaming for the coaches head. It’s not realistic to think the abs will always be the best team in the world. Historically that wasn’t true, and won’t be for any team. They are a tweak away from being #1 again but people are calling for the whole organization to be replaced.
It’s disrespectful to the other teams in world rugby.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@W32 sounds like a great idea to go back to Jake White for you guys, agree wholeheartedly. As long as SAXIV remains 2nd in the rankings.
Jake Whites boks were #1 in the world when he resigned. It was Allister Coetzee who was replaced halfway through his tenure. I think the boks were …#5 in the world at that point.
Your paranoia is kinda making my point
Edit they were 7th.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
Any semi-astute observer (including all our opposition) will have latched onto this.
Haha; hadn't thought of the opposition.
The saffas will love this.
When we go down 4 zip next year, even the non-astute observers will be on to it!Yeah the challenge is to stop the trend, and turn it around.
NZR is a reasonably large entity, hard to make a quick change of direction, or change a culture, in an institution of size.
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If you want him you can have him.
I actually want one of the guys in your set up.
Lets do the swap.
Ok.The All Blacks & NZR are like the newspaper industry, they had a successful business model.
But times changed, and serious competition came along, and they are still trying to make the old business model work.Kinda amazed that they are still ranked No. 2.
Kinda amazed they are just a tweak away.
That is a bit of an indictment on the opposition.
Although they got taken care of quite easily last weekend, as I thought they would.If they dont make adjustments, be even more amazed if they are No. 2 this time next year.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
If you want him you can have him.
I actually want one of the guys in your set up.
Lets do the swap.
Ok.The All Blacks & NZR are like the newspaper industry, they had a successful business model.
But times changed, and serious competition came along, and they are still trying to make the old business model work.Kinda amazed that they are still ranked No. 2.
Kinda amazed they are just a tweak away.
That is a bit of an indictment on the opposition.
Although they got taken care of quite easily last weekend, as I thought they would.If they dont make adjustments, be even more amazed if they are No. 2 this time next year.
I don’t want him. (White) Don’t rate him.
Yes, Rassie has made Tony Brown look good and now nzedders think he’s the new messiah.
NZ rugby might be in a natural decline like other teams have gone through.
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@W32 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@W32 I'm not sure how your conclusion came to paranoia, but interesting you'd prefer Jake over the current, in honour of not belittling the opposition.
Don’t twist my words, you brought White up, not me
Well apparently we should be happy with our lot, we're 2nd after all. Seems rather pithy to dismiss that as insulting to other nations, when SA were at the top of the pile under White.
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@W32 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
Apparently Razor said he was going to head overseas so NZR bent over and signed him instead of letting him leave. That's looking increasingly like a poor decision
Did anybody think he'd shit the bed this bad? I fucking didn't .
I just don't know how to approach this at the minute.
It's hard to think of a coach who has had so much goodwill going into the job and tanked it completely.
Is this not just a hangover from the glory days when the abs were dominant? (Circa 2016 or so) The expectation became that they win every match and when that doesn’t happen, people start screaming for the coaches head. It’s not realistic to think the abs will always be the best team in the world. Historically that wasn’t true, and won’t be for any team. They are a tweak away from being #1 again but people are calling for the whole organization to be replaced.
It’s disrespectful to the other teams in world rugby.
Y’all give yourselves an uppercut.Robertson has been disrespecting us the punters who love the game of Rugby for far too long now, 2 years in you cannot deny he's way too conservative, 26 Tests in and the same veteran 10s used in each of those. Harry Plummer should've been given an opportunity in 2024 to start but even he knew all was not well, This year when we were playing France "B" Ruben Love or an in form Rivez Reihana would've made sense to start a Test at 10. even now this week It's been said but why is Sevu Reece in the 23 over guys on the up like Tangitau or Nanai-Seturo? There's no real Foresight... like take Finlay Christie bless him he's a good team man but why wasn't Dylan Pledger the NZ 20s best player of the last 7 years not on this tour as an Apprentice? George Bell has basically been an apprentice the last while learning from Taylor, if Pledger played for Canterbury instead of Otago would he be shadowing Roigard right now? I'm sorry I had to vent here but to sum it all up it Just feels like Robertson is trying not to lose games instead of actually trying to Win Games if that makes sense.
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@booboo yeah, his results made him.too hard to ignore, but surely they must ask these guys to map out a plan of sorts, put some goals in place, rather than just win the RWC 4 years away.
I mean what if that is his sole goal and he achieves it, or worse, doesnt.
I'd rather the days of our domination all the time except the RWC than that.
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David Kirk needs to try and salvage this dumpster fire. He has issues on multi levels, but in terms of the ABs he has to either fire all of the coaches, except perhaps for Ryan, or keep Razor as a figurehead (if he's too expensive to fire) but strip him of selection responsibilities, and install a real head coach and assistants
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Inside Rugby: Chairman Kirk's nuclear option for coaching dilemma
OPINION: David Kirk has acknowledged All Blacks appointment process was flawed.
The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.
Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.
Tim can you post a full transcript mate?
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That's an explosive photo by the NZH by the way.
