All Blacks 2025
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@W32 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@W32 I'm not sure how your conclusion came to paranoia, but interesting you'd prefer Jake over the current, in honour of not belittling the opposition.
Don’t twist my words, you brought White up, not me
Well apparently we should be happy with our lot, we're 2nd after all. Seems rather pithy to dismiss that as insulting to other nations, when SA were at the top of the pile under White.
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@W32 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
Apparently Razor said he was going to head overseas so NZR bent over and signed him instead of letting him leave. That's looking increasingly like a poor decision
Did anybody think he'd shit the bed this bad? I fucking didn't .
I just don't know how to approach this at the minute.
It's hard to think of a coach who has had so much goodwill going into the job and tanked it completely.
Is this not just a hangover from the glory days when the abs were dominant? (Circa 2016 or so) The expectation became that they win every match and when that doesn’t happen, people start screaming for the coaches head. It’s not realistic to think the abs will always be the best team in the world. Historically that wasn’t true, and won’t be for any team. They are a tweak away from being #1 again but people are calling for the whole organization to be replaced.
It’s disrespectful to the other teams in world rugby.
Y’all give yourselves an uppercut.Robertson has been disrespecting us the punters who love the game of Rugby for far too long now, 2 years in you cannot deny he's way too conservative, 26 Tests in and the same veteran 10s used in each of those. Harry Plummer should've been given an opportunity in 2024 to start but even he knew all was not well, This year when we were playing France "B" Ruben Love or an in form Rivez Reihana would've made sense to start a Test at 10. even now this week It's been said but why is Sevu Reece in the 23 over guys on the up like Tangitau or Nanai-Seturo? There's no real Foresight... like take Finlay Christie bless him he's a good team man but why wasn't Dylan Pledger the NZ 20s best player of the last 7 years not on this tour as an Apprentice? George Bell has basically been an apprentice the last while learning from Taylor, if Pledger played for Canterbury instead of Otago would he be shadowing Roigard right now? I'm sorry I had to vent here but to sum it all up it Just feels like Robertson is trying not to lose games instead of actually trying to Win Games if that makes sense.
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@booboo yeah, his results made him.too hard to ignore, but surely they must ask these guys to map out a plan of sorts, put some goals in place, rather than just win the RWC 4 years away.
I mean what if that is his sole goal and he achieves it, or worse, doesnt.
I'd rather the days of our domination all the time except the RWC than that.
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David Kirk needs to try and salvage this dumpster fire. He has issues on multi levels, but in terms of the ABs he has to either fire all of the coaches, except perhaps for Ryan, or keep Razor as a figurehead (if he's too expensive to fire) but strip him of selection responsibilities, and install a real head coach and assistants
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Inside Rugby: Chairman Kirk's nuclear option for coaching dilemma
OPINION: David Kirk has acknowledged All Blacks appointment process was flawed.
The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.
Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.
Tim can you post a full transcript mate?
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That's an explosive photo by the NZH by the way.
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Why do people always say except Jason Ryan. That fat fucker is the one who wants to exclude Talented players from selection because of personal issues. The forwrds have gone backwards this year as well if you take out Fabien Holland (nothing to do with Ryan) adding some much needed size, power and workrate. Our Scrum and lineout have both been dismantled at various times this year and we constantly lack go forward in contact. Thanks to Ryan the best power runners in NZ rugby are lost to us with one likely to turn up in England colours before the next world cup and the only decent 7 in terms of workrate and the physical size required for test rugby looks to be going the same way. Our best impact lock will probably follow next year. The majority of that appears to be down to Ryans dislike of what he perceives is the 'Blues Culture'. A region that produces one third of our player base.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2025:
Why do people always say except Jason Ryan. That fat fucker is the one who wants to exclude Talented players from selection because of personal issues. The forwrds have gone backwards this year as well if you take out Fabien Holland (nothing to do with Ryan) adding some much needed size, power and workrate. Our Scrum and lineout have both been dismantled at various times this year and we constantly lack go forward in contact. Thanks to Ryan the best power runners in NZ rugby are lost to us with one likely to turn up in England colours before the next world cup and the only decent 7 in terms of workrate and the physical size required for test rugby looks to be going the same way. Our best impact lock will probably follow next year. The majority of that appears to be down to Ryans dislike of what he perceives is the 'Blues Culture'. A region that produces one third of our player base.
If he's blocking players that we need, bin him as well. A coach isn't bigger than the team
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2025:
Why do people always say except Jason Ryan. That fat fucker is the one who wants to exclude Talented players from selection because of personal issues. The forwrds have gone backwards this year as well if you take out Fabien Holland (nothing to do with Ryan) adding some much needed size, power and workrate. Our Scrum and lineout have both been dismantled at various times this year and we constantly lack go forward in contact. Thanks to Ryan the best power runners in NZ rugby are lost to us with one likely to turn up in England colours before the next world cup and the only decent 7 in terms of workrate and the physical size required for test rugby looks to be going the same way. Our best impact lock will probably follow next year. The majority of that appears to be down to Ryans dislike of what he perceives is the 'Blues Culture'. A region that produces one third of our player base.
Serious question, do we have any proof that exclusions are a result of Ryan's personal issues? Or is it something that has been repeated so much it's become the 'truth'?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2025:
Why do people always say except Jason Ryan. That fat fucker is the one who wants to exclude Talented players from selection because of personal issues. The forwrds have gone backwards this year as well if you take out Fabien Holland (nothing to do with Ryan) adding some much needed size, power and workrate. Our Scrum and lineout have both been dismantled at various times this year and we constantly lack go forward in contact. Thanks to Ryan the best power runners in NZ rugby are lost to us with one likely to turn up in England colours before the next world cup and the only decent 7 in terms of workrate and the physical size required for test rugby looks to be going the same way. Our best impact lock will probably follow next year. The majority of that appears to be down to Ryans dislike of what he perceives is the 'Blues Culture'. A region that produces one third of our player base.
Serious question, do we have any proof that exclusions are a result of Ryan's personal issues? Or is it something that has been repeated so much it's become the 'truth'?
Of course we don't have proof
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2025:
Why do people always say except Jason Ryan. That fat fucker is the one who wants to exclude Talented players from selection because of personal issues. The forwrds have gone backwards this year as well if you take out Fabien Holland (nothing to do with Ryan) adding some much needed size, power and workrate. Our Scrum and lineout have both been dismantled at various times this year and we constantly lack go forward in contact. Thanks to Ryan the best power runners in NZ rugby are lost to us with one likely to turn up in England colours before the next world cup and the only decent 7 in terms of workrate and the physical size required for test rugby looks to be going the same way. Our best impact lock will probably follow next year. The majority of that appears to be down to Ryans dislike of what he perceives is the 'Blues Culture'. A region that produces one third of our player base.
Serious question, do we have any proof that exclusions are a result of Ryan's personal issues? Or is it something that has been repeated so much it's become the 'truth'?
Of course we don't have proof
. If it comes out in the review he should be let go tooCool. So much shit is spouted as 'truth' it's hard to keep up.
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Lots of quotes online, especially from Razor about other players being more adept on both sides of the ball and more versatile in terms of playing multiple positions when discussing Hoskins' exclusion. Which to me is all fake speak for "we just have that as an excuse not to pick him" when you consider how soft our pack is right now
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Lots of quotes online, especially from Razor about other players being more adept on both sides of the ball and more versatile in terms of playing multiple positions when discussing Hoskins' exclusion. Which to me is all fake speak for "we just have that as an excuse not to pick him" when you consider how soft our pack is right now
In other words, they don't think he's good enough.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Lots of quotes online, especially from Razor about other players being more adept on both sides of the ball and more versatile in terms of playing multiple positions when discussing Hoskins' exclusion. Which to me is all fake speak for "we just have that as an excuse not to pick him" when you consider how soft our pack is right now
In other words, they don't think he's good enough.
Yup. Which is all very fine until you read what they were looking for, what they were apparently trying to achieve, and what they delivered
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@W32 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
Apparently Razor said he was going to head overseas so NZR bent over and signed him instead of letting him leave. That's looking increasingly like a poor decision
Did anybody think he'd shit the bed this bad? I fucking didn't .
I just don't know how to approach this at the minute.
It's hard to think of a coach who has had so much goodwill going into the job and tanked it completely.
Is this not just a hangover from the glory days when the abs were dominant? (Circa 2016 or so) The expectation became that they win every match and when that doesn’t happen, people start screaming for the coaches head. It’s not realistic to think the abs will always be the best team in the world. Historically that wasn’t true, and won’t be for any team. They are a tweak away from being #1 again but people are calling for the whole organization to be replaced.
It’s disrespectful to the other teams in world rugby.
Y’all give yourselves an uppercut.In all honesty I don't think you're actually addressing my point which is simply that Razor had almost 100% support when coming into the job and he's lost that, and that's just not pure results.
Not sure how you got to us being disrespectful and needing to give ourselves an uppercut from my comment, seems like it was just a rant you had in the chamber.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@W32 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Still, to be fair, I was.
Apparently Razor said he was going to head overseas so NZR bent over and signed him instead of letting him leave. That's looking increasingly like a poor decision
Did anybody think he'd shit the bed this bad? I fucking didn't .
I just don't know how to approach this at the minute.
It's hard to think of a coach who has had so much goodwill going into the job and tanked it completely.
Is this not just a hangover from the glory days when the abs were dominant? (Circa 2016 or so) The expectation became that they win every match and when that doesn’t happen, people start screaming for the coaches head. It’s not realistic to think the abs will always be the best team in the world. Historically that wasn’t true, and won’t be for any team. They are a tweak away from being #1 again but people are calling for the whole organization to be replaced.
It’s disrespectful to the other teams in world rugby.
Y’all give yourselves an uppercut.In all honesty I don't think you're actually addressing my point which is simply that Razor had almost 100% support when coming into the job and he's lost that, and that's just not pure results.
Not sure how you got to us being disrespectful and needing to give ourselves an uppercut from my comment, seems like it was just a rant you had in the chamber.
Repurposing is so 2020
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2025:
Why do people always say except Jason Ryan. That fat fucker is the one who wants to exclude Talented players from selection because of personal issues. The forwrds have gone backwards this year as well if you take out Fabien Holland (nothing to do with Ryan) adding some much needed size, power and workrate. Our Scrum and lineout have both been dismantled at various times this year and we constantly lack go forward in contact. Thanks to Ryan the best power runners in NZ rugby are lost to us with one likely to turn up in England colours before the next world cup and the only decent 7 in terms of workrate and the physical size required for test rugby looks to be going the same way. Our best impact lock will probably follow next year. The majority of that appears to be down to Ryans dislike of what he perceives is the 'Blues Culture'. A region that produces one third of our player base.
Serious question, do we have any proof that exclusions are a result of Ryan's personal issues? Or is it something that has been repeated so much it's become the 'truth'?
We saw Akira and Hoskins dropped in 2023 in the first full season of Ryan as forwards coach.
Then the following year we saw Papali'i dropped and ghosted too.
Whether its personality or he just doesn't rate them its still his personal issue with those players.
