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All Blacks 2025

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  • A African Monkey

    @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

    Reflecting on Holland, he's had an outstanding season. The kid is no frills, rolls his sleeves up and gets stuck in. We need more players like that, especially in the back row

    I feel like he's got more to give too. I hope Jamie Joseph can turn him into a real bruiser because he certainly has the frame for it.

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    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

    Reflecting on Holland, he's had an outstanding season. The kid is no frills, rolls his sleeves up and gets stuck in. We need more players like that, especially in the back row

    I feel like he's got more to give too. I hope Jamie Joseph can turn him into a real bruiser because he certainly has the frame for it.

    Oh yeah. Barring injury, his ceiling is high. I have a feeling Beehre is another bruiser, we need more players with attributes like Holland

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      Ardie doesn't make the Breakdown world XV. Beaver says he picked him, Mils says he tried to pick him but ultimately didn't, Goldie says fuck that PSDT is the best 7, doesn't take a minute off, impactful, plays exactly the way a 7 should. Good on ya mate

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      • canefanC canefan

        Ardie doesn't make the Breakdown world XV. Beaver says he picked him, Mils says he tried to pick him but ultimately didn't, Goldie says fuck that PSDT is the best 7, doesn't take a minute off, impactful, plays exactly the way a 7 should. Good on ya mate

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        @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

        Ardie doesn't make the Breakdown world XV. Beaver says he picked him, Mils says he tried to pick him but ultimately didn't, Goldie says fuck that PSDT is the best 7, doesn't take a minute off, impactful, plays exactly the way a 7 should. Good on ya mate

        PSDT is a blindside Goldie

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        • FrankF Frank

          @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

          Ardie doesn't make the Breakdown world XV. Beaver says he picked him, Mils says he tried to pick him but ultimately didn't, Goldie says fuck that PSDT is the best 7, doesn't take a minute off, impactful, plays exactly the way a 7 should. Good on ya mate

          PSDT is a blindside Goldie

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          @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

          @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

          Ardie doesn't make the Breakdown world XV. Beaver says he picked him, Mils says he tried to pick him but ultimately didn't, Goldie says fuck that PSDT is the best 7, doesn't take a minute off, impactful, plays exactly the way a 7 should. Good on ya mate

          PSDT is a blindside Goldie

          He'll play anywhere you need him to play. And dominate

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          • canefanC canefan

            Mils tried very hard not to say Mark Robinson's tenure was shit. Goldie being very diplomatic, they all agree commercialism has been at the expense of on field performance.

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            mohikamo
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            @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

            they all agree commercialism has been at the expense of on field performance.

            Yeah it's ass-about.
            Ensure a quality on field performance, and that'll look after the commercial side.

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            • canefanC canefan

              @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

              @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

              Ardie doesn't make the Breakdown world XV. Beaver says he picked him, Mils says he tried to pick him but ultimately didn't, Goldie says fuck that PSDT is the best 7, doesn't take a minute off, impactful, plays exactly the way a 7 should. Good on ya mate

              PSDT is a blindside Goldie

              He'll play anywhere you need him to play. And dominate

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              @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

              He'll play anywhere you need him to play. And dominate

              Saffas usually have what we call a 7 in the No. 6. But, yeah, he's a 6/7.

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                My All Blacks / All Blacks XV team of the year :

                Williams
                Taylor
                Tosi
                Holland
                Tuipolutu
                Flanders
                Papali'i
                Sititi
                Roigard
                DMac
                Clarke
                Barrett
                Ennor
                Jordan
                Nanai-Seturo

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                • TimT Tim

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:

                  It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away

                  There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.

                  He quit in embarrassment then came back with a different account. Still thinks that every Blues player should be dropped. Real moron.

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                  @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:

                  It would be fun to look back at some of the posts from 2023 - 2024 talking about how he would turn things around straight away

                  There was that loon who wrote long, gushing posts on how unique and wonderful Robertson was, wasn't there? Wanted Foster replaced before the knock-out stages of RWC2023 IIRC.

                  He quit in embarrassment then came back with a different account. Still thinks that every Blues player should be dropped. Real moron.

                  I’d keep Christie at least 😎

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                  • M mohikamo

                    @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

                    He'll play anywhere you need him to play. And dominate

                    Saffas usually have what we call a 7 in the No. 6. But, yeah, he's a 6/7.

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                    #9149

                    @mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:

                    @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

                    He'll play anywhere you need him to play. And dominate

                    Saffas usually have what we call a 7 in the No. 6. But, yeah, he's a 6/7.

                    Yeah PSDT has played on both sides.

                    PSDT, Matera and Earl are my trio.

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                    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                      @mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:

                      @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

                      He'll play anywhere you need him to play. And dominate

                      Saffas usually have what we call a 7 in the No. 6. But, yeah, he's a 6/7.

                      Yeah PSDT has played on both sides.

                      PSDT, Matera and Earl are my trio.

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                      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

                      @mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:

                      @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

                      He'll play anywhere you need him to play. And dominate

                      Saffas usually have what we call a 7 in the No. 6. But, yeah, he's a 6/7.

                      Yeah PSDT has played on both sides.

                      PSDT, Matera and Earl are my trio.

                      Don't think PSDT has ever started a game on the openside?

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                        from a Richard Knowler article onn stuff
                        "Last year Robertson retained veterans such as Sam Cane and TJ Peranara to provide experience but, with both now playing in Japan, had to go deeper into the playing pool this season."

                        Oh my. The only issue we have is we can't play TJP and Cane this year!?

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                          We've turned the corner apparently and all is well.

                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360896037/turned-corner-scott-robertson-assessment-all-blacks-year-and-skipper-scott-barrett

                          And international experience is suddenly important now, according to Robertson. Pity he and his loonie fluffers did't mention that when campaigning for AB Coach eh?

                          Last year Robertson retained veterans such as Sam Cane and TJ Peranara to provide experience but, with both now playing in Japan, had to go deeper into the playing pool this season.

                          "Until you have played or coached a test match, you don't know [what is required] until you have done it and so those guys are really valuable," Robertson said.

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                            Screenshot 2025-11-23 at 20.12.35.png

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                              Mils and Beaver wanted Ardie in the team of the year.

                              This is the level of punditry in NZ.

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                                Screenshot 2025-11-23 at 20.12.35.png

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                                @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                Screenshot 2025-11-23 at 20.12.35.png

                                Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?

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                                • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                  @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  Screenshot 2025-11-23 at 20.12.35.png

                                  Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?

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                                  @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  Screenshot 2025-11-23 at 20.12.35.png

                                  Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?

                                  PSdT named out of position, probably half a dozen better fullbacks than Jordan and the same for Furlong.

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                                  • JetJ Jet

                                    Mils and Beaver wanted Ardie in the team of the year.

                                    This is the level of punditry in NZ.

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                                    @Jet the amount of people screaming on socials for him to be nominated for world player of the year is actually insane.

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                                    • BonesB Bones

                                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      Screenshot 2025-11-23 at 20.12.35.png

                                      Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?

                                      PSdT named out of position, probably half a dozen better fullbacks than Jordan and the same for Furlong.

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                                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      Screenshot 2025-11-23 at 20.12.35.png

                                      Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?

                                      PSdT named out of position, probably half a dozen better fullbacks than Jordan and the same for Furlong.

                                      Agree, Jordan not close to being the best full back in the world. I think for the whole 80mins PSdT does find himself on both sides but I could be wrong.

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                                      • BonesB Bones

                                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        Screenshot 2025-11-23 at 20.12.35.png

                                        Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?

                                        PSdT named out of position, probably half a dozen better fullbacks than Jordan and the same for Furlong.

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                                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        Screenshot 2025-11-23 at 20.12.35.png

                                        Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?

                                        PSdT named out of position, probably half a dozen better fullbacks than Jordan and the same for Furlong.

                                        Jordan at 15 is bizarre. Have the "selectors" been confused by tne Saffa 7 being blindside?

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                                        • A African Monkey

                                          @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/david-kirks-nuclear-option-nzrs-deficit-between-promise-and-performance-the-high-performance-conundrum-chasing-the-boks-inside-rugby/premium/LVBD3PXCFZERHJRMWFOTCRIQFI/

                                          The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.

                                          Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.

                                          Thats a grim, deflating read.

                                          We are in trouble folks.

                                          Big trouble. We have Scott Hansen coaching the side with Razor doing the pilates side of things and have to tour the republic for 4 fucken tests next year!

                                          One thing that really annoyed me about the 3 part Razor wankfest run by Jim Kayes was when he was extremely dismissive about getting experience overseas and said something along the lines of 'Why do i need overseas experience? I spent time over there as a player!' He lost me right there. Did he think he'd walk into international rugby thinking the opposition was the same level as the Waratahs and Force or something?

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                                          @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/david-kirks-nuclear-option-nzrs-deficit-between-promise-and-performance-the-high-performance-conundrum-chasing-the-boks-inside-rugby/premium/LVBD3PXCFZERHJRMWFOTCRIQFI/

                                          The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.

                                          Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.

                                          Thats a grim, deflating read.

                                          We are in trouble folks.

                                          Big trouble. We have Scott Hansen coaching the side with Razor doing the pilates side of things and have to tour the republic for 4 fucken tests next year!

                                          One thing that really annoyed me about the 3 part Razor wankfest run by Jim Kayes was when he was extremely dismissive about getting experience overseas and said something along the lines of 'Why do i need overseas experience? I spent time over there as a player!' He lost me right there. Did he think he'd walk into international rugby thinking the opposition was the same level as the Waratahs and Force or something?

                                          I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.

                                          Sure test rugby is different but its still rugby. The laws are the same, the quality increases but who shouldnt be shocked at test rugby is different than super rugby

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