Wales v All Blacks
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@MajorPom said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish said in Wales v All Blacks:
Because the ball was held up before Davidson saw it grounded. It's no different to if the ball was knocked on before Davidson saw it grounded. If something's happened before the ball is grounded, that takes precedent, even if the referee hasn't seen it...
If the ball was held up, it needs to remain held up. We've seen plenty of instances before when it's initially held up then the attacker wrestles free to get it on the line.
This ball was not 6 inches above the line, it was half an inch at most, with plenty of perspective available for it to have touched the ground & the ref saw it touch and awarded it. She hadn't blown the whistle, she hadn't called time off. Game was still in play.
Maybe in the rules of the game, it was the 100% correct decision. Honestly, I don't really care. I just like a game ref'd by the ref. Not by the TMO.
100% this.
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everything should be on the clock
scrums
goal-kicks
kick-offs
line-outs
TMO
etc
and even injuries, a lot of them are just rest breaksas soon as the ref blows the whistle, the clock should start
40 seconds would be about right (same as NFL)
and get the TMO to actually run the clock!
all they are good for
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@Bones said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish held up before grounding is in no way the same as a knock on. The ball is grounded, that's all there is to it.
I agree with you, the ball isn't held up for long enough and it should be play on. But my point was that the TMO wasn't disputing that the ball was eventually grounded, he was saying that it was held up first. It wasn't a case that it looked held up from one angle but grounded from another.
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@Mr-Fish said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Bones said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish held up before grounding is in no way the same as a knock on. The ball is grounded, that's all there is to it.
I agree with you, the ball isn't held up for long enough and it should be play on. But my point was that the TMO wasn't disputing that the ball was eventually grounded, he was saying that it was held up first. It wasn't a case that it looked held up from one angle but grounded from another.
Yeah, did she refer it or did the tmo interject? Pretty bad if he wasn't even asked and she's already said she's seen a try. Still, she's the one that wound it back with zero justification.
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@brodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
@kidcalder said in Wales v All Blacks:
@brodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
I would have really liked to have seen Love get a run at 10. What are they afraid of?
Thats RM jersey and BB is keepng it mediocre until he is available= no point anyone being allowed the opportunity to shine and make the changeover more complex
25 minutes to go with the game well won and they could have moved him to 10 but instead they take him off for Reece.
Was he injured or something? I thought he looked gassed in second half, seemed to lose a bit of fizz after halftime.
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@Dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks:
Was he injured or something? I thought he looked gassed in second half, seemed to lose a bit of fizz after halftime.
ankle
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@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks:
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus 60-61 according to Wikipedia. He was born in 1964.
I must have the wrong guy, he's practically an embryo!*
*dramatic Fern effect.
Murray Deaker? He was an alchy.
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Was a stark difference with Dmac and Love in the pivots. Front foot ball, defenders werent just sliding onto the next reciever, faster pace of play, variance in carrying and depth. Just seeing two guys keen to get their hands on the ball was extremely refreshing.
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@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
Murray Deaker? He was an alchy.
That's it! Sorry Devlin!
Devlin will be guttted someone is comparing him to Deaker in terms of age. They could easily be father and son.
I met him ( Devlin ) a few times while working in Radio in my late teens.
Really nice bloke ( although he has certainly gotten grumpier with age judging by hearing him )
very animated, freakishly skinny ( I can see why the Game of two halves guys gave him shit constantly ) arms like twigs.....
VERY passionate about sport.
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@Bones said in Wales v All Blacks:
TMO clearly said stick with your on field decision. That Davidson went against all protocol with an absolute melt decision is not his fault.
What they say and what they mean are very different.
Davidson dutifully followed the ghost protocol.
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@Mr-Fish said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Bones said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish held up before grounding is in no way the same as a knock on. The ball is grounded, that's all there is to it.
I agree with you, the ball isn't held up for long enough and it should be play on. But my point was that the TMO wasn't disputing that the ball was eventually grounded, he was saying that it was held up first. It wasn't a case that it looked held up from one angle but grounded from another.
When the referee says “I have a clear grounding”, that should be it, over.
Puts his feet up and sends a selfie to his missus saying something like “easiest job ever”. The modern TMO is the literal definition of a solution looking for a problem.
And I fucking hate those fluffybunnies.
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@Bones said in Wales v All Blacks:
TMO clearly said stick with your on field decision. That Davidson went against all protocol with an absolute melt decision is not his fault.
I know that this shouldnt be a reason to consider, but then again it should be.
People are gambling on these games.
Spread betting, try scorer bets etc.
I totally understand them wanting to get things right, and wanting to protect themselves from future litigation over concussions etc.
All I ask for is consistency. And we dont have that. Not even close.
Imagine being Sam Cane watching the Autumn Internationals seeing the card roulette, non cards (Sasha) and red cards over turned in the court room.
They stole his big day from him for a tackle less egregious than those unsanctioned or deemed non reds this very Autumn.
I'd be suicidal.
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@Dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks:
@brodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
@kidcalder said in Wales v All Blacks:
@brodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
I would have really liked to have seen Love get a run at 10. What are they afraid of?
Thats RM jersey and BB is keepng it mediocre until he is available= no point anyone being allowed the opportunity to shine and make the changeover more complex
25 minutes to go with the game well won and they could have moved him to 10 but instead they take him off for Reece.
Was he injured or something? I thought he looked gassed in second half, seemed to lose a bit of fizz after halftime.
Razor mentioned Love had an ankle issue.
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@MajorPom said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Bones said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish held up before grounding is in no way the same as a knock on. The ball is grounded, that's all there is to it.
I agree with you, the ball isn't held up for long enough and it should be play on. But my point was that the TMO wasn't disputing that the ball was eventually grounded, he was saying that it was held up first. It wasn't a case that it looked held up from one angle but grounded from another.
When the referee says “I have a clear grounding”, that should be it, over.
Puts his feet up and sends a selfie to his missus saying something like “easiest job ever”. The modern TMO is the literal definition of a solution looking for a problem.
And I fucking hate those fluffybunnies.
I'm at the same point with rugby and cricket. Umpires/Refs making mistakes is part of the sport. Best is the enemy of good.
Get rid of TMOs completely.
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@MajorPom said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Kirwan disagree on the cricket. Actually think they have that pretty good It’s a slow game so doesn’t kill it.
NRL bunker has it spot on for 80-90 min matches.
I jumped onto the ashes and died of boredom watching them look for what felt like an hour looking for a sound rolling the tape forward and back.
Was painful.
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One thing that stood out to me and I know it's only Wales.
But how much better we are with D Mac at 10,He kicked long mostly no dinky stupid kicks that give away possession he kicked for grass most of the time.Plus his intent to attack was always good.He was more aware of space and what was around him,
BB is gone as a test player he is not up to it anymore,If the coaches had a brain D Mac and Mounga in the 23 and no BB. -
I don't think Davidson was any better than any other referee. Twice in quick succession she made a decision only to be "overruled" by a TMO.
Once for Clarke's tackle busting run to score she's next to the ruck where Kirifi knocked on and said it went backwards.
Then practically immediately afterwards when she said she "I clearly have it on the line". Then the TMO tells her to stick with her on-field decision.
The only thing she did well was to keep penalising Wales for not rolling away. Everything else was bog standard these days.
So for all the "TMO is ruining the game", she's the one with the whistle changing her mind from what she's seen and what she's adjudicated.
