What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year
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@S3L3CTOR said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
- Chay Fihaki (huge boot)
Notes:
- No Beauden, bc he has an incomplete skillset for 10 (not a goalkicker; poor tactical kicker; not a great passer)
I like to think I'm an outside chance for broken record for my consistent railing against BB, but Fihaki is a loooong way outside the box.
I'd say he is considerably worse than BB in all the aspects that you are criticising BB for, and given he doesn't actually know how to play there I'd say that incomplete skillset is a given. -
LF makes way too many mistakes to be in the All Blacks. Scrapes in on the wing maybe, but there are better options there too.
Misses tackles, awful ball security, the wingers just wouldn't get the ball - which apparantly is RI's big problem yet look how quick the wingers got the ball in the weekend.
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@hikastags said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@S3L3CTOR said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean He was pretty good in the Top 14.
Statistically he was one of, if not the worst centers defensively.
If he was so shit he wouldn't of been a finalist for Top14 midfielder of the year.
How many centers were in the finals, 14? Where was this voting taking place, Crusaders HQ?
His defence is clearly not up to the standard required, I don't know why people try to defend the indefensible.
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@Bovidae said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
I'd like to see ENS at fullback, and hope he plays there for the Chiefs. That big left boot is a weapon on exits.
Isn't he going off shore after the Super Rugby season?
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Riley Higgins and Devan Flanders are obvious ones if they can stay on the field and hopefully Aumua can make a big return.
Backs from other franchises - Caleb Tangitau has to be an AB, Dylan Pledger is almost a certainty, wouldn't mind seeing Nanai-Seturo get an opportunity as well.
In the forwards, if Jamie Hannah has a big year for the Crusaders, I can see him being in the frame.
I'd love to see the following backline get a run next year:
- Roigard (Hurricanes)
- McKenzie (Chiefs)
- Clarke (Blues)
- Higgins (Hurricanes)
- Fainga'anuku (Crusaders)
- Tangitau (Highlanders)
- Jordan (Crusaders)
Reserves
21. Pledger (Highlanders)
22. Love (Hurricanes)
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@sparky said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@Bovidae said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
I'd like to see ENS at fullback, and hope he plays there for the Chiefs. That big left boot is a weapon on exits.
Isn't he going off shore after the Super Rugby season?
There was a rumour floating around that he was leaving at the end of 2025 but that proved untrue. He's signed on for one more year at the moment but no certainties what'll happen next.
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@Canes4life said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
Riley Higgins and Devan Flanders are obvious ones if they can stay on the field and hopefully Aumua can make a big return.
Backs from other franchises - Caleb Tangitau has to be an AB, Dylan Pledger is almost a certainty, wouldn't mind seeing Nanai-Seturo get an opportunity as well.
In the forwards, if Jamie Hannah has a big year for the Crusaders, I can see him being in the frame.
I'd love to see the following backline get a run next year:
- Roigard (Hurricanes)
- McKenzie (Chiefs)
- Clarke (Blues)
- Higgins (Hurricanes)
- Fainga'anuku (Crusaders)
- Tangitau (Highlanders)
- Jordan (Crusaders)
Reserves
21. Pledger (Highlanders)
22. Love (Hurricanes)
23. J Barrett (Hurricanes)i was a big fan of Jordan getting a run at 15....but think its clear hes better on the wing....im wondering if we dont make the same mistake we made with BB...would jordan be a good option off the bench with love tanitau clarke as the starting back 3
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5 players I'd hope to see debut in 2026 for the All Blacks
Caleb Tangitau
Devan Flanders
Rivez Reihana
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens
Dylan Pledger -
lots of love for Pledger on here but the young fella hasn't had a super season yet!
If he has an amazing season outplaying 9 after 9 then yes promote him asap but until then he is surely in the queue behind Favatava, Holtham and Preston as more established experienced 9's.
If he is rushed and thrown to the Boks and doesn't perform will the same people then want him ditched??
JJ did him a favour not taking him the XV tour no need to panic let him develop physically and learn about pressure etc - there are other 9's that deserve their shot ahead off him at this point in time.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@Bones said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
Blackdragon is back baby.
Woosh.
Is that before your time?
He posted some fucking outrageously funny takes, the most enduring being the thread on ideal height to weight ratio, where by his definition, Carl Hayman should have made an ideal number 8.
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@S3L3CTOR said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
I think the ABs will struggle at RWC2027 if they don't select a backline similar to the following by the end of 2026. It's experimental and I just call it the "50-22 and then play from there" backline:
- Roigard (backup = Pledger)
- Chay Fihaki (huge boot)
- Caleb Clarke
- Timoci T
- Leicester F
- Caleb Tangitau
- Kyren Taumoefolau (huge boot)
Power in midfield. Back three that have elite speed and are also great under high ball. Fullback is tall, posseses a great vertical leap and a sizeable boot.
Notes:
- No Beauden, bc he has an incomplete skillset for 10 (not a goalkicker; poor tactical kicker; not a great passer)
- No Jordie, bc he lacks power and is also not great distributor
- No Jordan, bc not 100% under high ball, doesn't possess a boot, and generally falters against physical in-your-face teams like the Boks.
- No Carter, bc his defensive positioning and high ball work is iffy.
- No Dmac, but one of either he or Carter (covers 9, 11, 14) or Narawa (covers 11, 13, and 15) will provide impact from bench imo.
This team has two tactical kickers capable of successfully pulling off 50-22s (depending on angles and field position) and enough pace to prevent many quick throw-ins.
The 10-12-13 combination has real attacking venom. However, in defence, their power can be used against some of the best opposition 10s (e.g. Sascha, Ntamack, any wallaby 10) in two ways:
i) Having a sizeable 10 who can tackle and perhaps achieve dominant tackles, it might create turnover opportunities (something that both Timoci and Leicester specialise in)
ii) Since Sascha, Libbok, and Ntamack are more likely to run with the ball than kick, the 10-12-13 axis may have opportunities to execute a turnover of possession via the "held up...maul" method. For some unknown reason, the boks have probably been the most vulnerable to this tactic over the years.
Speed of NZ wingers and outside backs (4 levels):
ELITE:
Tangitau
Taumoefolau
Carter
MansonNEAR-ELITE:
Clarke
ENSGOOD PACE:
Jordan
NarawaSLOW:
Reece
ReikoUNDER THE HIGH (2 levels):
ELITE:
Clarke
Taumoefolau
Tangitau
Kneepkens
Narawa
ENSSUSPECT:
Jordan
Reece
RiekoLoose Trio:
I believe that Savea unbalances any loose trio that he is part of in much the same as Beauden Barrett unbalances any backline.
Tbh, Sititi is short for an 8 and his predecessor Savea was/is ridiculously light for an 8. Consequently, it's difficult for them to dominate any collision in a game. On the other hand, I think NZ has plenty of short locks who could add value in the loose trio.
6
Choose a fiery short lock e.g. Vaa'i8
Choose a quicker* short lock (perhaps 1cm or 2cm shorter and +/- 2kg lighter than the Vaa'i type) perhaps Ah kuoi OR a more physically abrasive type Will Stoddart Or Zach Gallagher.Basically, the all Blacks need more size at 6 and 8. So, a loose trio like the following:
- Vaai
- Lakai OR Dalton
- Stodart
Front Row:
- Williams
- Lomax/Tosi
Locks:
Holland
Patty T
DarrylThat's about it.
Added upvote for thoroughness, but does not indicate agreement.
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@antipodean said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@hikastags said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@S3L3CTOR said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean He was pretty good in the Top 14.
Statistically he was one of, if not the worst centers defensively.
If he was so shit he wouldn't of been a finalist for Top14 midfielder of the year.
How many centers were in the finals, 14? Where was this voting taking place, Crusaders HQ?
His defence is clearly not up to the standard required, I don't know why people try to defend the indefensible.
Cringe.
His defense in the Top14 wasn't as crap as it's been now. Like everyone else, they've gotten worse under Razor.
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@hikastags said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@hikastags said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@S3L3CTOR said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean He was pretty good in the Top 14.
Statistically he was one of, if not the worst centers defensively.
If he was so shit he wouldn't of been a finalist for Top14 midfielder of the year.
How many centers were in the finals, 14? Where was this voting taking place, Crusaders HQ?
His defence is clearly not up to the standard required, I don't know why people try to defend the indefensible.
Cringe.
His defense in the Top14 wasn't as crap as it's been now. Like everyone else, they've gotten worse under Razor.
IIRC it's been well documented he was amongst the worst in his position in the Top14 defensively.
That he's a powerful ball runner isn't being debated. But he can't be a serious choice to play 13 for the All Blacks until this glaring deficiency is addressed.
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@antipodean said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@hikastags said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@hikastags said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@S3L3CTOR said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@antipodean He was pretty good in the Top 14.
Statistically he was one of, if not the worst centers defensively.
If he was so shit he wouldn't of been a finalist for Top14 midfielder of the year.
How many centers were in the finals, 14? Where was this voting taking place, Crusaders HQ?
His defence is clearly not up to the standard required, I don't know why people try to defend the indefensible.
Cringe.
His defense in the Top14 wasn't as crap as it's been now. Like everyone else, they've gotten worse under Razor.
IIRC it's been well documented he was amongst the worst in his position in the Top14 defensively.
That he's a powerful ball runner isn't being debated. But he can't be a serious choice to play 13 for the All Blacks until this glaring deficiency is addressed.
Yeah fair enough . Agree also regarding 13... I think his game is better suited to 12 where it's more direct.
And he's put on too much bulk to be a winger now.
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@hikastags I'd be more amenable to that - see if he can grow into being our new Ma'a.
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I like the idea of him at 12.
However, if they plan to go back to Mo’unga and those loop plays to give him space, we’ll need distribution at 12. Given the actual innovation shown so far, I imagine that back to the future Crusaders style is the golden ticket they are clinging on to….
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@antipodean said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@hikastags I'd be more amenable to that - see if he can grow into being our new Ma'a.
Get him some NFL running back style coaching to teach him now to avoid fumbling the ball during hit ups
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@gt12 said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@Victor-Meldrew said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
@Bones said in What new players would you like to see in all blacks next year:
Blackdragon is back baby.
Woosh.
Is that before your time?
Must have been.
