All Blacks 2025
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For all we've been shit, I think the backs problems are basically solved if we jettison BB. It does mean new things to iron out, as McKenzie is not the complete package at 10 yet, and we've wasted a year and a half where we could have been sorting that out and building combinations - but what's done is done. Every time McKenzie played significant minutes at 10, we've gone from one of the worst attacking sides to one making a lot of metres.
Our defence needs work of course, a new coach there. Someone mentioned the Blues guy?
We also need a scrum coach, as that has gone backwards.
We need some work on our positioning of support players around high kicks, but that shouldn't be very hard.The loosies for me is the only hard question.
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Razor is not going to walk, NZR ain't gonna give him the boot, whether they are going to man up and.try to move his assistants along, who knows, but even if they do, who is knocking on the door to join this team?
Who is in line to replace Holland who has jumped ship.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
It was obviously very disappointing, and not at the level needed, but fuck me, it could have been way worse.
It could've been worse... had France sent their A side instead of C team we would've most likely lost the June series 2-1.
@restofit said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
It was obviously very disappointing, and not at the level needed, but fuck me, it could have been way worse.
It could've been worse... had France sent their A side instead of C team we would've most likely lost the June series 2-1.
Although even the top French side have been leaky on D like us as well
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@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Clarke, Love, Jordan?
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For all we've been shit, I think the backs problems are basically solved if we jettison BB. It does mean new things to iron out, as McKenzie is not the complete package at 10 yet, and we've wasted a year and a half where we could have been sorting that out and building combinations - but what's done is done. Every time McKenzie played significant minutes at 10, we've gone from one of the worst attacking sides to one making a lot of metres.
Our defence needs work of course, a new coach there. Someone mentioned the Blues guy?
We also need a scrum coach, as that has gone backwards.
We need some work on our positioning of support players around high kicks, but that shouldn't be very hard.The loosies for me is the only hard question.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
For all we've been shit, I think the backs problems are basically solved if we jettison BB. It does mean new things to iron out, as McKenzie is not the complete package at 10 yet, and we've wasted a year and a half where we could have been sorting that out and building combinations - but what's done is done. Every time McKenzie played significant minutes at 10, we've gone from one of the worst attacking sides to one making a lot of metres.
Our defence needs work of course, a new coach there. Someone mentioned the Blues guy?
We also need a scrum coach, as that has gone backwards.
We need some work on our positioning of support players around high kicks, but that shouldn't be very hard.The loosies for me is the only hard question.
Thoughts
- If Razor had jettisoned BB, we wouldn't want his head on the block in the first place
- We have no idea about certain combinations because Razor refused to rotate and experiment
Unless he is forced to change, ie an assistant is installed that has greater power, he won't change
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Clarke, Love, Jordan?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Clarke, Love, Jordan?
After all the bitching and moaning on here about how teams are presented by the NH I went the numerical route
15, 14, 11
Add in DMac and Roigard at 10 & 9 respectively and there's 5/7 of your back line sorted
If Robertson et al can’t see that then they should have gone to Specsavers
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?
He's tall, but a bit slow
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?
He's tall, but a bit slow
you knew what I meant! But, funny!
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Clarke, Love, Jordan?
After all the bitching and moaning on here about how teams are presented by the NH I went the numerical route
15, 14, 11
Add in DMac and Roigard at 10 & 9 respectively and there's 5/7 of your back line sorted
If Robertson et al can’t see that then they should have gone to Specsavers
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Clarke, Love, Jordan?
After all the bitching and moaning on here about how teams are presented by the NH I went the numerical route
15, 14, 11
Add in DMac and Roigard at 10 & 9 respectively and there's 5/7 of your back line sorted
If Robertson et al can’t see that then they should have gone to Specsavers
Worst front row ever.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Clarke, Love, Jordan?
After all the bitching and moaning on here about how teams are presented by the NH I went the numerical route
15, 14, 11
Add in DMac and Roigard at 10 & 9 respectively and there's 5/7 of your back line sorted
If Robertson et al can’t see that then they should have gone to Specsavers
Worst front row ever.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Clarke, Love, Jordan?
After all the bitching and moaning on here about how teams are presented by the NH I went the numerical route
15, 14, 11
Add in DMac and Roigard at 10 & 9 respectively and there's 5/7 of your back line sorted
If Robertson et al can’t see that then they should have gone to Specsavers
Worst front row ever.
Is that you Razor?
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For all we've been shit, I think the backs problems are basically solved if we jettison BB. It does mean new things to iron out, as McKenzie is not the complete package at 10 yet, and we've wasted a year and a half where we could have been sorting that out and building combinations - but what's done is done. Every time McKenzie played significant minutes at 10, we've gone from one of the worst attacking sides to one making a lot of metres.
Our defence needs work of course, a new coach there. Someone mentioned the Blues guy?
We also need a scrum coach, as that has gone backwards.
We need some work on our positioning of support players around high kicks, but that shouldn't be very hard.The loosies for me is the only hard question.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
For all we've been shit, I think the backs problems are basically solved if we jettison BB. It does mean new things to iron out, as McKenzie is not the complete package at 10 yet
I do wonder if we judge every 10 compared to Dan Carter, every 7 to McCaw (I know Ireland do), and every 12 to Nonu but regardless, I'd argue we have woefully undertested depth at 10, and the example of Beaver should have been imprinted on the coaches' respective foreheads. What was he, option/alternative number 5? And for all the criticism, he was at least tested at AB level beforehand...
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
For all we've been shit, I think the backs problems are basically solved if we jettison BB. It does mean new things to iron out, as McKenzie is not the complete package at 10 yet
I do wonder if we judge every 10 compared to Dan Carter, every 7 to McCaw (I know Ireland do), and every 12 to Nonu but regardless, I'd argue we have woefully undertested depth at 10, and the example of Beaver should have been imprinted on the coaches' respective foreheads. What was he, option/alternative number 5? And for all the criticism, he was at least tested at AB level beforehand...
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@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
The last out and out 10 that debuted was Josh Ioane in 2019 (for one cap). Absolutely crazy.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
Got about 20 caps - a couple fewer than Donald had in 2011.
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“That’s what we’re trying to do. We’ll take our learnings into next year and we’ll go from there.”
No Mr Holland, your best learnings is to never ever ever use that term again.
Thank you. That would be Fab. -
“That’s what we’re trying to do. We’ll take our learnings into next year and we’ll go from there.”
No Mr Holland, your best learnings is to never ever ever use that term again.
Thank you. That would be Fab.Fab Holland?
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/scott-robertson-discusses-his-future-leading-the-all-blacks/
" I think Scott’s rugby IQ is as good as I’ve ever come across, he’s an exceptional reader of the game, his ability to understand the intricacies, and he’s got people to rely on like his vice captains and on field drivers that we do a lot of work with.
“But he is unique, he’s someone that can push a scrum, call a line out, make 20 tackles, barge rucks, and still make calls and be with the referee, and he’s done a really good job, so we monitor all that."
We are screwed
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Can Jordan & Clarke defy the 27 club curse and be valid options at Wing for the next 2 years?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
Got about 20 caps - a couple fewer than Donald had in 2011.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
Got about 20 caps - a couple fewer than Donald had in 2011.
Sopoaga played 18 total games (16 tests) for the All Blacks with just three starts.
