All Blacks 2025
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?
He's tall, but a bit slow
you knew what I meant! But, funny!
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Clarke, Love, Jordan?
After all the bitching and moaning on here about how teams are presented by the NH I went the numerical route
15, 14, 11
Add in DMac and Roigard at 10 & 9 respectively and there's 5/7 of your back line sorted
If Robertson et al can’t see that then they should have gone to Specsavers
Worst front row ever.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Clarke, Love, Jordan?
After all the bitching and moaning on here about how teams are presented by the NH I went the numerical route
15, 14, 11
Add in DMac and Roigard at 10 & 9 respectively and there's 5/7 of your back line sorted
If Robertson et al can’t see that then they should have gone to Specsavers
Worst front row ever.
Is that you Razor?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
For all we've been shit, I think the backs problems are basically solved if we jettison BB. It does mean new things to iron out, as McKenzie is not the complete package at 10 yet
I do wonder if we judge every 10 compared to Dan Carter, every 7 to McCaw (I know Ireland do), and every 12 to Nonu but regardless, I'd argue we have woefully undertested depth at 10, and the example of Beaver should have been imprinted on the coaches' respective foreheads. What was he, option/alternative number 5? And for all the criticism, he was at least tested at AB level beforehand...
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@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
The last out and out 10 that debuted was Josh Ioane in 2019 (for one cap). Absolutely crazy.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
Got about 20 caps - a couple fewer than Donald had in 2011.
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“That’s what we’re trying to do. We’ll take our learnings into next year and we’ll go from there.”
No Mr Holland, your best learnings is to never ever ever use that term again.
Thank you. That would be Fab. -
Fab Holland?
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/scott-robertson-discusses-his-future-leading-the-all-blacks/
" I think Scott’s rugby IQ is as good as I’ve ever come across, he’s an exceptional reader of the game, his ability to understand the intricacies, and he’s got people to rely on like his vice captains and on field drivers that we do a lot of work with.
“But he is unique, he’s someone that can push a scrum, call a line out, make 20 tackles, barge rucks, and still make calls and be with the referee, and he’s done a really good job, so we monitor all that."
We are screwed
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Can Jordan & Clarke defy the 27 club curse and be valid options at Wing for the next 2 years?
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
Got about 20 caps - a couple fewer than Donald had in 2011.
Sopoaga played 18 total games (16 tests) for the All Blacks with just three starts.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Cruden, Barret, McKenzie and Mo'unga are the only 10s that have been blooded since Donald (who debuted 17 years ago) that currently have more caps than him prior to his 2011 appearance.
Lima Sopoaga?
Got about 20 caps - a couple fewer than Donald had in 2011.
Sopoaga played 18 total games (16 tests) for the All Blacks with just three starts.
Half the problem right? How many 10s started how many tests for NZ since 2019? Not many I'd say
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@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby What, exactly, would Razor be doing to turn it around in your scenario?
Let’s start from the back
Love, Jordan, Clarke
Can Jordan & Clarke defy the 27 club curse and be valid options at Wing for the next 2 years?
As an aside.......People are calling for Nanai Seturo who turns 27 next August.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
As an aside.......People are calling for Nanai Seturo who turns 27 next August.
But younger than Clarke.
Need a young gun, 23 or younger
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Another damning stat:
The experienced Sky Sport commentator explains that an interesting stat around the All Blacks is to do with their counter attacking efficiency, which has declined in 2025. “I’ll give you one interesting stat, which to me, underlines that become quite conservative this group. Last year, the All Blacks scored 12 tries from counter attack. This year, they’ve only scored one and does that mean that they are just not taking risks anymore.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/commentators-view-on-abs-mixed-messaging/
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We don't tend to generate a lot of turnovers any more (see the loose forward mix. see the passive defense)
and where a huge point of difference for us before was how we would ruthlessly exploited bad kicks. Now? One pass max or more likely we kick it back to them, often poorly.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
We don't tend to generate a lot of turnovers any more (see the loose forward mix. see the passive defense)
and where a huge point of difference for us before was how we would ruthlessly exploited bad kicks. Now? One pass max or more likely we kick it back to them, often poorly.
Bad coaching. The players often appear confused
