All Blacks 2025
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Wales v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph thats the thing, Parsons has a very analytical eye when it comes to rugby, when he was playing they had him on the radio in a regular spot talking and he was always very insightful, similar to O'Halloran.
Having only listened to a couple of episodes recently, Parsons seems like he's trying to come up with excuses for how poorly the All Blacks are playing. He points to random statistics or moments in the game and tries to make out that's all that's wrong. 'They would've won if it hadn't been for that one little thing there.'
He looks like he's thinking really hard too, so maybe he is trying to find obscure ways to justify how shit we are
I really enjoy the show. If I wanted to just see people pointing sticks and saying so and so is useless, after watching a game on tv, I got rugby forums. I enjoy hearing people who have been in the game at decent level point to reasons for things going right or wrong.
But are those reasons accurate?
Well are they inaccurate? See you can say that about any show or even post about rugby. I would in genera think people who have (or are still ) played at high levels have a pretty good idea what in general coaches and players at that level look to?
Playing ability doesn’t equate to knowledge or insight. If it did, it’d be pretty easy to work out who would make the best coaches.
Parsons is part of a wider media group that seems reluctant to criticise the team, possibly because they’re discouraged from doing so.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Wales v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph thats the thing, Parsons has a very analytical eye when it comes to rugby, when he was playing they had him on the radio in a regular spot talking and he was always very insightful, similar to O'Halloran.
Having only listened to a couple of episodes recently, Parsons seems like he's trying to come up with excuses for how poorly the All Blacks are playing. He points to random statistics or moments in the game and tries to make out that's all that's wrong. 'They would've won if it hadn't been for that one little thing there.'
He looks like he's thinking really hard too, so maybe he is trying to find obscure ways to justify how shit we are
I really enjoy the show. If I wanted to just see people pointing sticks and saying so and so is useless, after watching a game on tv, I got rugby forums. I enjoy hearing people who have been in the game at decent level point to reasons for things going right or wrong.
But are those reasons accurate?
Well are they inaccurate? See you can say that about any show or even post about rugby. I would in genera think people who have (or are still ) played at high levels have a pretty good idea what in general coaches and players at that level look to?
Playing ability doesn’t equate to knowledge or insight. If it did, it’d be pretty easy to work out who would make the best coaches.
Parsons is part of a wider media group that seems reluctant to criticise the team, possibly because they’re discouraged from doing so.
Yep, I think as a rule they don't get too negative on team, and look at what they think is why they are actually worth listening to. If we want to hear read/hear so and so is useless etc, we got rugby forums. These fellas (not all media) use the app that coaches/players etc have access to which shows a lot more than we see on a live broadcast on tv. It's not really playing ability that equates to their knowledge, more the knowledge they get from being in the environment and understanding of what teams actually work on etc. Doesn't make them right all the time, but I find it interesting to hear details of how they train , and what they look for.
I recall once them saying that the day before game they would even spend time on things like how each 9 tended to kick from behind ruck etc, so you came through with arms etc in a certain position to cause problems.
I enough of a rugby nerd to be interested in all that, and how players change calls on defence etc. -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Wales v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph thats the thing, Parsons has a very analytical eye when it comes to rugby, when he was playing they had him on the radio in a regular spot talking and he was always very insightful, similar to O'Halloran.
Having only listened to a couple of episodes recently, Parsons seems like he's trying to come up with excuses for how poorly the All Blacks are playing. He points to random statistics or moments in the game and tries to make out that's all that's wrong. 'They would've won if it hadn't been for that one little thing there.'
He looks like he's thinking really hard too, so maybe he is trying to find obscure ways to justify how shit we are
I really enjoy the show. If I wanted to just see people pointing sticks and saying so and so is useless, after watching a game on tv, I got rugby forums. I enjoy hearing people who have been in the game at decent level point to reasons for things going right or wrong.
But are those reasons accurate?
Well are they inaccurate? See you can say that about any show or even post about rugby. I would in genera think people who have (or are still ) played at high levels have a pretty good idea what in general coaches and players at that level look to?
Playing ability doesn’t equate to knowledge or insight. If it did, it’d be pretty easy to work out who would make the best coaches.
Parsons is part of a wider media group that seems reluctant to criticise the team, possibly because they’re discouraged from doing so.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
Parsons is part of a wider media group that seems reluctant to criticise the team, possibly because they’re discouraged from doing so.
He is also part of the NZRPA management, so represents the players.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
Parsons is part of a wider media group that seems reluctant to criticise the team, possibly because they’re discouraged from doing so.
He is also part of the NZRPA management, so represents the players.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
Parsons is part of a wider media group that seems reluctant to criticise the team, possibly because they’re discouraged from doing so.
He is also part of the NZRPA management, so represents the players.
Exactly, so he's never gonna say anything bad about anyone.
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I guess end of the day , it doesn’t matter if it’s working, but when it’s not working then we look for faults .
I mean if we were flying , number 1 team in the world , and razor said that , we would be calling Scott Hansen the quiet genius working behind the scenes and not give a fuck , winners are grinners and all that .
But it’s not so we want answers .
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I guess end of the day , it doesn’t matter if it’s working, but when it’s not working then we look for faults .
I mean if we were flying , number 1 team in the world , and razor said that , we would be calling Scott Hansen the quiet genius working behind the scenes and not give a fuck , winners are grinners and all that .
But it’s not so we want answers .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
I guess end of the day , it doesn’t matter if it’s working, but when it’s not working then we look for faults .
I mean if we were flying , number 1 team in the world , and razor said that , we would be calling Scott Hansen the quiet genius working behind the scenes and not give a fuck , winners are grinners and all that .
But it’s not so we want answers .
I get the feeling we've not probably encountered this before. I find it hard to believe Foster was the coaching genius borne of the Henry era.
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Isn't this kinda what the director of rugby role that nh clubs have been doing for ever is?
Not saying its right, one assumes this is what Razor sold to nzr
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Isn't this kinda what the director of rugby role that nh clubs have been doing for ever is?
Not saying its right, one assumes this is what Razor sold to nzr
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Isn't this kinda what the director of rugby role that nh clubs have been doing for ever is?
Not saying its right, one assumes this is what Razor sold to nzr
It does seem odd that the wouldn't have been aware exactly what he was selling when they bought it
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Isn't this kinda what the director of rugby role that nh clubs have been doing for ever is?
Not saying its right, one assumes this is what Razor sold to nzr
It does seem odd that the wouldn't have been aware exactly what he was selling when they bought it
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Isn't this kinda what the director of rugby role that nh clubs have been doing for ever is?
Not saying its right, one assumes this is what Razor sold to nzr
It does seem odd that the wouldn't have been aware exactly what he was selling when they bought it
Well the Gregor Paul article did mention there was no one from a high performance perspective on the panel making the decision....
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Isn't this kinda what the director of rugby role that nh clubs have been doing for ever is?
Not saying its right, one assumes this is what Razor sold to nzr
It does seem odd that the wouldn't have been aware exactly what he was selling when they bought it
Well the Gregor Paul article did mention there was no one from a high performance perspective on the panel making the decision....
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Isn't this kinda what the director of rugby role that nh clubs have been doing for ever is?
Not saying its right, one assumes this is what Razor sold to nzr
It does seem odd that the wouldn't have been aware exactly what he was selling when they bought it
Well the Gregor Paul article did mention there was no one from a high performance perspective on the panel making the decision....
um, the performance of the high performance staff is also due for scrutiny!
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Graham Souness
Interesting character.
Recall a story about his first game for Liverpool.
The manager was giving instructions to each player before the game, but said nothing to him.
He than asked what the manger what he wanted him to do.
The manger turned on him, and said something like "You're asking me? We just paid umpteen million dollars for you! You should be telling us what to fucking do!"
The Souness (who had an excellent opinion of himself) said he just thought to himself, OK, Right! And took over the team for the following decade.Always wondered whether the manager planned for that situation.
Just waiting for him to say something, so he could tear into him.
Knowing exactly how Souness would react; just how he wanted him too.There is an interesting tangent from that point though.
Everton beat Man United a few days ago with 10 men.
One of their players was sent off for slapping one of his own team in the face after an on-field disagreement.
The manager David Moyes was interviewed post match and questioned on what he thought of his players fighting. It was only the third time it ever happened in the premier league.
Moyes said “I actually love it, it shows they care”.
2 in one game Bowyer and Dyer I think.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Parker was better today than Holland was, to be fair... You only notice Holland because he's jumping in lineouts.
You’ve really missed what I was saying
In what sense?
Cos Scott Parker never played. I think Simon Parker did though.
Next you'll be saying Reeves didn't score a try.
Aaron Leonard Brine got a farewell match too.
Don't be salty.
Bit chippy tonite...
It all started with the comment from @Mr-Fish too. This is not a coincidence
I can see what your angling at..
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Parker was better today than Holland was, to be fair... You only notice Holland because he's jumping in lineouts.
You’ve really missed what I was saying
In what sense?
Cos Scott Parker never played. I think Simon Parker did though.
Next you'll be saying Reeves didn't score a try.
Aaron Leonard Brine got a farewell match too.
Don't be salty.
Bit chippy tonite...
It all started with the comment from @Mr-Fish too. This is not a coincidence
I can see what your angling at..
you're
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Parker was better today than Holland was, to be fair... You only notice Holland because he's jumping in lineouts.
You’ve really missed what I was saying
In what sense?
Cos Scott Parker never played. I think Simon Parker did though.
Next you'll be saying Reeves didn't score a try.
Aaron Leonard Brine got a farewell match too.
Don't be salty.
Bit chippy tonite...
It all started with the comment from @Mr-Fish too. This is not a coincidence
I can see what your angling at..
you're
@Kruse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Parker was better today than Holland was, to be fair... You only notice Holland because he's jumping in lineouts.
You’ve really missed what I was saying
In what sense?
Cos Scott Parker never played. I think Simon Parker did though.
Next you'll be saying Reeves didn't score a try.
Aaron Leonard Brine got a farewell match too.
Don't be salty.
Bit chippy tonite...
It all started with the comment from @Mr-Fish too. This is not a coincidence
I can see what your angling at..
you're
I was using the possessive - referring to his angling (a noun). e.g. you might ask Robertson: "where your coaching at?" :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
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The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
Reece -
@Kruse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Parker was better today than Holland was, to be fair... You only notice Holland because he's jumping in lineouts.
You’ve really missed what I was saying
In what sense?
Cos Scott Parker never played. I think Simon Parker did though.
Next you'll be saying Reeves didn't score a try.
Aaron Leonard Brine got a farewell match too.
Don't be salty.
Bit chippy tonite...
It all started with the comment from @Mr-Fish too. This is not a coincidence
I can see what your angling at..
you're
I was using the possessive - referring to his angling (a noun). e.g. you might ask Robertson: "where your coaching at?" :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kruse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Parker was better today than Holland was, to be fair... You only notice Holland because he's jumping in lineouts.
You’ve really missed what I was saying
In what sense?
Cos Scott Parker never played. I think Simon Parker did though.
Next you'll be saying Reeves didn't score a try.
Aaron Leonard Brine got a farewell match too.
Don't be salty.
Bit chippy tonite...
It all started with the comment from @Mr-Fish too. This is not a coincidence
I can see what your angling at..
you're
I was using the possessive - referring to his angling (a noun). e.g. you might ask Robertson: "where your coaching at?" :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
Out-pedanting a pedant. Nice
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The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
Reece@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceUnder pressure to keep their spots? I’d say two of them are done no matter what they pull out in Super Rugby.
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The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
Reece@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceCan see why they're targeted.
But ...
I suspect SB still has more to give while we transition to the new breed, just not as skipper. But there are 6 test class locks currently in the mix (and Beehre is the new great white hype).And both ALB and RI looked sharper than wunderkind Proctor. Suggest the latter has a bit to prove as well.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceUnder pressure to keep their spots? I’d say two of them are done no matter what they pull out in Super Rugby.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceUnder pressure to keep their spots? I’d say two of them are done no matter what they pull out in Super Rugby.
I'll believe it when I see them dropped. Not holding my breath.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceUnder pressure to keep their spots? I’d say two of them are done no matter what they pull out in Super Rugby.
I'll believe it when I see them dropped. Not holding my breath.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceUnder pressure to keep their spots? I’d say two of them are done no matter what they pull out in Super Rugby.
I'll believe it when I see them dropped. Not holding my breath.
Nothing changes unless Razor gets sent to the Principal's office and forced to make changes
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceCan see why they're targeted.
But ...
I suspect SB still has more to give while we transition to the new breed, just not as skipper. But there are 6 test class locks currently in the mix (and Beehre is the new great white hype).And both ALB and RI looked sharper than wunderkind Proctor. Suggest the latter has a bit to prove as well.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceCan see why they're targeted.
But ...
I suspect SB still has more to give while we transition to the new breed, just not as skipper. But there are 6 test class locks currently in the mix (and Beehre is the new great white hype).And both ALB and RI looked sharper than wunderkind Proctor. Suggest the latter has a bit to prove as well.
In any decent coaching regime all five would be surplus to requirements and jettisoned.
Whilst it may seem harsh to drop two Barretts at once its worth pointing out theres another one who'll make it. The Whettons never had that luxury.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceCan see why they're targeted.
But ...
I suspect SB still has more to give while we transition to the new breed, just not as skipper. But there are 6 test class locks currently in the mix (and Beehre is the new great white hype).And both ALB and RI looked sharper than wunderkind Proctor. Suggest the latter has a bit to prove as well.
