All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Gregor Paul...pay walled
Now that New Zealand Rugby has clarified the criteria and process for recruiting a new All Blacks head coach, and two promising candidates have already ruled themselves out, the question is not whether a choice has to be made between Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie, but whether both
Basically saying a Rennie/Joseph/Foster Cartel would be awesome and similar to the Ted/Shag/Smith trio. Wonders if JJ & Rennie could work together. but points out Foster and JJ get on well and Joseph almost joined Foster in 2019.
Sounds like a pipe-dream, but who knows?
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If they could put aside egos, it would be a great combination to get at least two of them. Three would be magic.
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@Wurzel said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
What at first looked like as a very slick, performance manoeuvre by NZR is starting to look like the same old amateur-hour fumble by the so-called guardians of our national game.
No, just because there is silence doesnt mean much. People who werent going to get the job anyway have ruled themselves out.
Going forward with Razor was clearly not an option.
They did the right thing.
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@game_film said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Devlin just said on his latest podcast with TJ that Mitch had messaged him saying ‘no chance’ so guess we can rule him out of any assistant role.
No chance they will have me back in a million years
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@gt12 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
If they could put aside egos, it would be a great combination to get at least two of them. Three would be magic.
Seems to be down to Rennie & Joseph getting on. Gregor Paul doesn't think ego would be an issue with Foster.
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I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
The sort of development strategy we need from the new CEO.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.Rennie and Jospeh would be a good pick, but you must hate backs.
Actually, I don't mind if Foster is coach. But not of the forwards. Or the backs. Or the other coaches.
So manager it is then. -
@Victor-Meldrew Director of coaching. Uncle Joe would be perfect come next year. Keep the best coaches either in NZ or in developmental jobs abroad - not rocking up for England, Oz or SA. Wales will happily take them all.
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The All Blacks aren't going on a journey again.
Cueball has signed a new contract with the England women through to 2029 so scrub his name out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/clymed18g4go
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
They've actually done that previously with someone I know. But trying to juggle the career development of the overseas candidate with the plans of the incumbent is easier said that done.
Had Hansen left after the Lions it might have been better for development, but they could hardly turn him down when he decided to stay on a couple of more years.
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@pakman said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Had Hansen left after the Lions it might have been better for development, but they could hardly turn him down when he decided to stay on a couple of more years.
His plan was to leave. NZR asked him to stay. He agreed in the end - but I think it turned out that his original call was a good one.
There's also been bad luck for Hansen. Losing the last warm up game at the RWC2019 was a real blow. He was cooked as a coach by then, but it really didn't help that team.
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NZR should have someone that is in contact with NZ coaches, monitoring their progress, reaching out after a good/bad result.
Keeping NZR front of mind, ultimately we want/need these guys to learn, and come back and impart different 'learnings' on our players, whereas the situation we are in it seems a huge distrust of the process and organisation.
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
I think it is more than a little optimistic to think that the NH sides are forever going to welcome our coaches to use their top teams as a stepping stone.
