All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
The sort of development strategy we need from the new CEO.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.Rennie and Jospeh would be a good pick, but you must hate backs.
Actually, I don't mind if Foster is coach. But not of the forwards. Or the backs. Or the other coaches.
So manager it is then. -
@Victor-Meldrew Director of coaching. Uncle Joe would be perfect come next year. Keep the best coaches either in NZ or in developmental jobs abroad - not rocking up for England, Oz or SA. Wales will happily take them all.
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The All Blacks aren't going on a journey again.
Cueball has signed a new contract with the England women through to 2029 so scrub his name out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/clymed18g4go
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
They've actually done that previously with someone I know. But trying to juggle the career development of the overseas candidate with the plans of the incumbent is easier said that done.
Had Hansen left after the Lions it might have been better for development, but they could hardly turn him down when he decided to stay on a couple of more years.
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@pakman said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Had Hansen left after the Lions it might have been better for development, but they could hardly turn him down when he decided to stay on a couple of more years.
His plan was to leave. NZR asked him to stay. He agreed in the end - but I think it turned out that his original call was a good one.
There's also been bad luck for Hansen. Losing the last warm up game at the RWC2019 was a real blow. He was cooked as a coach by then, but it really didn't help that team.
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NZR should have someone that is in contact with NZ coaches, monitoring their progress, reaching out after a good/bad result.
Keeping NZR front of mind, ultimately we want/need these guys to learn, and come back and impart different 'learnings' on our players, whereas the situation we are in it seems a huge distrust of the process and organisation.
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
I think it is more than a little optimistic to think that the NH sides are forever going to welcome our coaches to use their top teams as a stepping stone.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
There's also been bad luck for Hansen. Losing the last warm up game at the RWC2019 was a real blow. He was cooked as a coach by then, but it really didn't help that team.
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?
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@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
We lost badly in Perth to the Wallabies that year - I believe Scott Barrett got red carded in that game. The next weekend we smashed the Wallabies at Eden Park (this was the game where they changed the plan at wing and had Reece and Bridge on the wings).
There was a warm up game prior to the World Cup but it was a bit of a non event vs Tonga (Josh Ioane's only test I believe).
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
We lost badly in Perth to the Wallabies that year - I believe Scott Barrett got red carded in that game. The next weekend we smashed the Wallabies at Eden Park (this was the game where they changed the plan at wing and had Reece and Bridge on the wings).
There was a warm up game prior to the World Cup but it was a bit of a non event vs Tonga (Josh Ioane's only test I believe).
We looked poor leading up to RWC2019. We only smashed the wobs because we were embarrassed by them the week before.
The fact we beat SA and then played our best rugby against Ireland in the qtr final had me thinking we were back on track.
Then shat the bed in that terrible semi final. Wuite literally never in the game
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
We lost badly in Perth to the Wallabies that year - I believe Scott Barrett got red carded in that game. The next weekend we smashed the Wallabies at Eden Park (this was the game where they changed the plan at wing and had Reece and Bridge on the wings).
There was a warm up game prior to the World Cup but it was a bit of a non event vs Tonga (Josh Ioane's only test I believe).
We looked poor leading up to RWC2019. We only smashed the wobs because we were embarrassed by them the week before.
The fact we beat SA and then played our best rugby against Ireland in the qtr final had me thinking we were back on track.
Then shat the bed in that terrible semi final. Wuite literally never in the game
I agree with all of that. I just wasn't sure what the "losing the last warm up game" in 2019 was referring to.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
There's also been bad luck for Hansen. Losing the last warm up game at the RWC2019 was a real blow. He was cooked as a coach by then, but it really didn't help that team.
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?
I don't think so - RWC2019 our last pool game was washed out from memory, by a nasty cyclone. That obviously threw all the prep plans into disarray - and then we wound up in a tough QF with Ireland before shitting the bed against England.
Found it on WIki - the game vs Italy was washed out.
Edit: I wasn't clear -- was thinking of warmup for the knockout stages
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@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
There's also been bad luck for Hansen. Losing the last warm up game at the RWC2019 was a real blow. He was cooked as a coach by then, but it really didn't help that team.
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?
I don't think so - RWC2019 our last pool game was washed out from memory, by a nasty cyclone. That obviously threw all the prep plans into disarray - and then we wound up in a tough QF with Ireland before shitting the bed against England.
Found it on WIki - the game vs Italy was washed out.
Edit: I wasn't clear -- was thinking of warmup for the knockout stages
That 2019 semi and the Boks game in Wellington last year should be required viewing by all coaches and players at the start of each season - starting this year.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
NZR should have someone that is in contact with NZ coaches, monitoring their progress, reaching out after a good/bad result.
Keeping NZR front of mind, ultimately we want/need these guys to learn, and come back and impart different 'learnings' on our players, whereas the situation we are in it seems a huge distrust of the process and organisation.
A High performance director, like Joe!
