All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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NZR should have someone that is in contact with NZ coaches, monitoring their progress, reaching out after a good/bad result.
Keeping NZR front of mind, ultimately we want/need these guys to learn, and come back and impart different 'learnings' on our players, whereas the situation we are in it seems a huge distrust of the process and organisation.
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
I think it is more than a little optimistic to think that the NH sides are forever going to welcome our coaches to use their top teams as a stepping stone.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
There's also been bad luck for Hansen. Losing the last warm up game at the RWC2019 was a real blow. He was cooked as a coach by then, but it really didn't help that team.
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?
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@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
We lost badly in Perth to the Wallabies that year - I believe Scott Barrett got red carded in that game. The next weekend we smashed the Wallabies at Eden Park (this was the game where they changed the plan at wing and had Reece and Bridge on the wings).
There was a warm up game prior to the World Cup but it was a bit of a non event vs Tonga (Josh Ioane's only test I believe).
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
We lost badly in Perth to the Wallabies that year - I believe Scott Barrett got red carded in that game. The next weekend we smashed the Wallabies at Eden Park (this was the game where they changed the plan at wing and had Reece and Bridge on the wings).
There was a warm up game prior to the World Cup but it was a bit of a non event vs Tonga (Josh Ioane's only test I believe).
We looked poor leading up to RWC2019. We only smashed the wobs because we were embarrassed by them the week before.
The fact we beat SA and then played our best rugby against Ireland in the qtr final had me thinking we were back on track.
Then shat the bed in that terrible semi final. Wuite literally never in the game
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
We lost badly in Perth to the Wallabies that year - I believe Scott Barrett got red carded in that game. The next weekend we smashed the Wallabies at Eden Park (this was the game where they changed the plan at wing and had Reece and Bridge on the wings).
There was a warm up game prior to the World Cup but it was a bit of a non event vs Tonga (Josh Ioane's only test I believe).
We looked poor leading up to RWC2019. We only smashed the wobs because we were embarrassed by them the week before.
The fact we beat SA and then played our best rugby against Ireland in the qtr final had me thinking we were back on track.
Then shat the bed in that terrible semi final. Wuite literally never in the game
I agree with all of that. I just wasn't sure what the "losing the last warm up game" in 2019 was referring to.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
There's also been bad luck for Hansen. Losing the last warm up game at the RWC2019 was a real blow. He was cooked as a coach by then, but it really didn't help that team.
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?
I don't think so - RWC2019 our last pool game was washed out from memory, by a nasty cyclone. That obviously threw all the prep plans into disarray - and then we wound up in a tough QF with Ireland before shitting the bed against England.
Found it on WIki - the game vs Italy was washed out.
Edit: I wasn't clear -- was thinking of warmup for the knockout stages
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@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
There's also been bad luck for Hansen. Losing the last warm up game at the RWC2019 was a real blow. He was cooked as a coach by then, but it really didn't help that team.
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?
I don't think so - RWC2019 our last pool game was washed out from memory, by a nasty cyclone. That obviously threw all the prep plans into disarray - and then we wound up in a tough QF with Ireland before shitting the bed against England.
Found it on WIki - the game vs Italy was washed out.
Edit: I wasn't clear -- was thinking of warmup for the knockout stages
That 2019 semi and the Boks game in Wellington last year should be required viewing by all coaches and players at the start of each season - starting this year.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
NZR should have someone that is in contact with NZ coaches, monitoring their progress, reaching out after a good/bad result.
Keeping NZR front of mind, ultimately we want/need these guys to learn, and come back and impart different 'learnings' on our players, whereas the situation we are in it seems a huge distrust of the process and organisation.
A High performance director, like Joe!
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
I think it is more than a little optimistic to think that the NH sides are forever going to welcome our coaches to use their top teams as a stepping stone.
Wales say hold our beer
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
I think it is more than a little optimistic to think that the NH sides are forever going to welcome our coaches to use their top teams as a stepping stone.
They've been welcoming our coaches and players for decades and they see the obvious benefits it's had for them. I don't see that changing in a hurry.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
We lost badly in Perth to the Wallabies that year - I believe Scott Barrett got red carded in that game. The next weekend we smashed the Wallabies at Eden Park (this was the game where they changed the plan at wing and had Reece and Bridge on the wings).
There was a warm up game prior to the World Cup but it was a bit of a non event vs Tonga (Josh Ioane's only test I believe).
We looked poor leading up to RWC2019. We only smashed the wobs because we were embarrassed by them the week before.
The fact we beat SA and then played our best rugby against Ireland in the qtr final had me thinking we were back on track.
Then shat the bed in that terrible semi final. Wuite literally never in the game
Foster was pretty much running the show at that stage, wasn't he? I think Hansen said as much. The writing was on the wall at that stage! I can't believe some posters are mentioning his return. Nothing against him, he is probably a good coach in the right circumstances, but ABs need a fresh approach, an innovative coaching team. Foster is not that kind of coach.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?Think we lost badly to the Wobblies just before RWC2019. May be wrong.
We lost badly in Perth to the Wallabies that year - I believe Scott Barrett got red carded in that game. The next weekend we smashed the Wallabies at Eden Park (this was the game where they changed the plan at wing and had Reece and Bridge on the wings).
There was a warm up game prior to the World Cup but it was a bit of a non event vs Tonga (Josh Ioane's only test I believe).
We looked poor leading up to RWC2019. We only smashed the wobs because we were embarrassed by them the week before.
The fact we beat SA and then played our best rugby against Ireland in the qtr final had me thinking we were back on track.
Then shat the bed in that terrible semi final. Wuite literally never in the game
Foster was pretty much running the show at that stage, wasn't he? I think Hansen said as much. The writing was on the wall at that stage! I can't believe some posters are mentioning his return. Nothing against him, he is probably a good coach in the right circumstances, but ABs need a fresh approach, an innovative coaching team. Foster is not that kind of coach.
Honestly, given just how toxic this has all become I can see the merit of bringing back an old coach who is familiar with the players to run it back for the next 18 months.
It's all about getting the most out of this group who seem to be if not, uncoachable, then high maintenance. I read Ruben Loves comments today about players "being human too" and it seems like this is a group that need to be coddled to get the best out of them. They might not respond to a more demanding coach.
Not saying this is a concrete thing but given just what has happened NZR need to think very carefully about who they bring in, personality wise.
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At least one decorated coach, who fits the criteria, says he has not heard directly from NZ Rugby. He was miffed.
“What’s wrong with just picking up the phone?’’ he asked.Saw some comments from Vaai eleswhere saying he thought the board did a good job, but is thankful for how he improved under Razor and messaged him to check up on him and say thanks.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
At least one decorated coach, who fits the criteria, says he has not heard directly from NZ Rugby. He was miffed.
“What’s wrong with just picking up the phone?’’ he asked.Anyone get the irony of a decorated coach asking with what's wrong with picking up the phone? Is he unable too himself? Or do these things only work one way.
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Next All Blacks coach: Why Dave Rennie is the compelling choice to lead the All Blacks - Liam Napier
At this stage, Rennie is yet to formally apply to lead the All Blacks but NZ Rugby, led by chairman David Kirk, should do everything in its power to entice him home.
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Marc Hinton thinks that Rennie is a better choice than Joseph too.
