All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Here’s an idea. Why don’t we wait to see who performs well in Super and deserves selection?
we talking about the coach still?
Jokes aside, Super isn't Test. Similar, but success no longer necessarily transfers - they have quite different requirements.
Nah, I was talking about the players here.
People calling for Ruben Love and DMac to do X and Y.
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Here’s an idea. Why don’t we wait to see who performs well in Super and deserves selection?
we talking about the coach still?
Jokes aside, Super isn't Test. Similar, but success no longer necessarily transfers - they have quite different requirements.
Nah, I was talking about the players here.
People calling for Ruben Love and DMac to do X and Y.
You mean the guys who should've been in the 23 based on last couple of year's Super?
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Here’s an idea. Why don’t we wait to see who performs well in Super and deserves selection?
we talking about the coach still?
Jokes aside, Super isn't Test. Similar, but success no longer necessarily transfers - they have quite different requirements.
Nah, I was talking about the players here.
People calling for Ruben Love and DMac to do X and Y.
You mean the guys who should've been in the 23 based on last couple of year's Super?
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Here’s an idea. Why don’t we wait to see who performs well in Super and deserves selection?
we talking about the coach still?
Jokes aside, Super isn't Test. Similar, but success no longer necessarily transfers - they have quite different requirements.
Nah, I was talking about the players here.
People calling for Ruben Love and DMac to do X and Y.
You mean the guys who should've been in the 23 based on last couple of year's Super?
This is just rehashing shit from last year, which is my point.
McKenzie will obviously perform, and will likely battle Mo’unga. I’d like to see Love actually offer up some performances at 10 before we start putting him in the same conversations.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Here’s an idea. Why don’t we wait to see who performs well in Super and deserves selection?
we talking about the coach still?
Jokes aside, Super isn't Test. Similar, but success no longer necessarily transfers - they have quite different requirements.
Nah, I was talking about the players here.
People calling for Ruben Love and DMac to do X and Y.
You mean the guys who should've been in the 23 based on last couple of year's Super?
This is just rehashing shit from last year, which is my point.
McKenzie will obviously perform, and will likely battle Mo’unga. I’d like to see Love actually offer up some performances at 10 before we start putting him in the same conversations.
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Here’s an idea. Why don’t we wait to see who performs well in Super and deserves selection?
we talking about the coach still?
Jokes aside, Super isn't Test. Similar, but success no longer necessarily transfers - they have quite different requirements.
Nah, I was talking about the players here.
People calling for Ruben Love and DMac to do X and Y.
You mean the guys who should've been in the 23 based on last couple of year's Super?
This is just rehashing shit from last year, which is my point.
McKenzie will obviously perform, and will likely battle Mo’unga. I’d like to see Love actually offer up some performances at 10 before we start putting him in the same conversations.
See I think Love has already shown enough to be an option in the 23. He hasn't shown near enough yet to supplant McKenzie as the starting 10 - but this is a guy who is consistently very good at fullback, he grew up playing 10, and he played several games in a row there last year in which he looked immediately comfortable. I think that's enough to make the bench over a guy who is about to turn 35.
Yes it is rehashing last year, and selection should be based on what happens this year. But none of them have actually played yet this year, so we don't have a lot to discuss on that front.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Here’s an idea. Why don’t we wait to see who performs well in Super and deserves selection?
we talking about the coach still?
Jokes aside, Super isn't Test. Similar, but success no longer necessarily transfers - they have quite different requirements.
Nah, I was talking about the players here.
People calling for Ruben Love and DMac to do X and Y.
You mean the guys who should've been in the 23 based on last couple of year's Super?
This is just rehashing shit from last year, which is my point.
McKenzie will obviously perform, and will likely battle Mo’unga. I’d like to see Love actually offer up some performances at 10 before we start putting him in the same conversations.
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I’d like to see Love actually offer up some performances at 10
I saw him live in Hamilton vs France. He looked bloody impressive and I was surprised he didn't get more game time.
Super is one thing, but you'd hope players who perform at training an on the field in Tests get rewarded. He passed my 'eye' test for sure.
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Love should be an experienced test player by now- who we know could step up and into the 10 jersey and bring confidence that he will perform... Unfortunately, we really don't know due to poor player management by the previous coaching team - a confusing lack of chances for him stalled his development - and getting him a test cap to his name by coming on a couple of times on the wing with 2min doesn't help anyone.
They way he was treated was very strange hopefully he gets opportunities this time round so he can gauged fairly -
Love should be an experienced test player by now- who we know could step up and into the 10 jersey and bring confidence that he will perform... Unfortunately, we really don't know due to poor player management by the previous coaching team - a confusing lack of chances for him stalled his development - and getting him a test cap to his name by coming on a couple of times on the wing with 2min doesn't help anyone.
They way he was treated was very strange hopefully he gets opportunities this time round so he can gauged fairly@kidcalder said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
They way he was treated was very strange hopefully he gets opportunities this time round so he can gauged fairly
reckon there's a list of those players right now.
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
They way he was treated was very strange hopefully he gets opportunities this time round so he can gauged fairly
reckon there's a list of those players right now.
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
They way he was treated was very strange hopefully he gets opportunities this time round so he can gauged fairly
reckon there's a list of those players right now.
Harry Plummer says hi
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Love should be an experienced test player by now- who we know could step up and into the 10 jersey and bring confidence that he will perform... Unfortunately, we really don't know due to poor player management by the previous coaching team - a confusing lack of chances for him stalled his development - and getting him a test cap to his name by coming on a couple of times on the wing with 2min doesn't help anyone.
They way he was treated was very strange hopefully he gets opportunities this time round so he can gauged fairly@kidcalder from memory he challenged Hansen on something and got blacklisted after that. That was a really stupid and weird coaching group, hopefully we see Love get a lot more chances now.
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@kidcalder from memory he challenged Hansen on something and got blacklisted after that. That was a really stupid and weird coaching group, hopefully we see Love get a lot more chances now.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@kidcalder from memory he challenged Hansen on something and got blacklisted after that. That was a really stupid and weird coaching group, hopefully we see Love get a lot more chances now.
Hansen is still technically an AB assistant coach, isn't he?
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@kidcalder from memory he challenged Hansen on something and got blacklisted after that. That was a really stupid and weird coaching group, hopefully we see Love get a lot more chances now.
@No-Quarter
Yeah did hear that... sounds childish for that level. We need to develop world class players not blacklist those that ask questions and challenge direction. Shows weakness in the coach. -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@kidcalder from memory he challenged Hansen on something and got blacklisted after that. That was a really stupid and weird coaching group, hopefully we see Love get a lot more chances now.
Hansen is still technically an AB assistant coach, isn't he?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@kidcalder from memory he challenged Hansen on something and got blacklisted after that. That was a really stupid and weird coaching group, hopefully we see Love get a lot more chances now.
Hansen is still technically an AB assistant coach, isn't he?
Only an assistant though. He’s no longer the head coach.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Devlin going against the grain
This is what I just came here to post as well. The latest on the rumour mill from my sources is it won’t be decided until March.
Starting to think I won’t post everything I hear as it’s just gone willy nilly. Eg throw enough shit at a wall and it’ll stick eventually.
What do they gain by waiting until March? I have no idea other than the Japan season may be over so could suit a Rennie announcement?
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They could have made their choice but still be negotiating and sorting out contracts. They might want to do some internal communication first. Maybe they’re just giving themselves a couple of weeks to make sure everything’s in place before making an official announcement.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@kidcalder from memory he challenged Hansen on something and got blacklisted after that. That was a really stupid and weird coaching group, hopefully we see Love get a lot more chances now.
Hansen is still technically an AB assistant coach, isn't he?
Only an assistant though. He’s no longer the head coach.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Only an assistant though. He’s no longer the head coach.
Ha ha! We shall see!
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Devlin going against the grain
This is what I just came here to post as well. The latest on the rumour mill from my sources is it won’t be decided until March.
Starting to think I won’t post everything I hear as it’s just gone willy nilly. Eg throw enough shit at a wall and it’ll stick eventually.
What do they gain by waiting until March? I have no idea other than the Japan season may be over so could suit a Rennie announcement?
@Landers92 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Devlin going against the grain
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What do they gain by waiting until March?
Mid-March (March 14th) is when the Six Nations ends.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Devlin going against the grain
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What do they gain by waiting until March?
Mid-March (March 14th) is when the Six Nations ends.
@sparky said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Mid-March (March 14th) is when the Six Nations ends.
I'm not sure I'd want any current head 6N coach tbh.
Farrell had an initial craic but seems to have fallen away a bit, not a fan of Wales' Tandy-monium, Galthié would never fit in because he actually has dress sense, Borthwick's a bit slow on the innovation front, Townsend isn't too bad, but the word Quesada always makes me feel hungry. -
@sparky said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Mid-March (March 14th) is when the Six Nations ends.
I'm not sure I'd want any current head 6N coach tbh.
Farrell had an initial craic but seems to have fallen away a bit, not a fan of Wales' Tandy-monium, Galthié would never fit in because he actually has dress sense, Borthwick's a bit slow on the innovation front, Townsend isn't too bad, but the word Quesada always makes me feel hungry. -
@nostrildamus It won't be a current Six Nations Head Coach.
@sparky said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus It won't be a current Six Nations Head Coach.
Yes I actually wondered whether there was a hint of an assistant but that is surely down the track..
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@sparky said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus It won't be a current Six Nations Head Coach.
Yes I actually wondered whether there was a hint of an assistant but that is surely down the track..
I had four thoughts about the Mid-March being both the likely All Blacks Coaching announcement and the end of the Six Nations.
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Warren Gatland was working World Rugby on a short-term consultancy with referees. I've no idea if that has already ended, but it might run until the end of the 6 Nations?
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NZR are known to be admirers of Shaun Edwards. Again I've no idea if he's tied to France until after the 2027 World Cup, but he's definitely going to be committed to them until the end of an ongoing tournament. Is he going to be the All Blacks new Defence Coach?
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Or it might be that a key member of the NZR board is going to be in Europe until the end of the 6 Nations?
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Or is it just a coincidence?
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