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Blues 2018

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  • TimT Away
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    Tim
    wrote on last edited by Tim
    #92

    If the Blues "past players" page is accurate, then the following 34 players are confirmed. Squads can be up to 38 + injury cover + WTG.

    Props

    Pauliasi Manu
    Alex Hodgman
    Ofa Tu'ungafasi
    Sione Mafileo

    Hooker

    James Parsons
    Matt Moulds
    Leni Apisai

    Lock

    Patrick Tuipulotu
    Scott Scrafton
    Gerard Cowley-Tuioti
    Josh Goodhue

    Loose Forward

    Blake Gibson (7)
    Jerome Kaino (6,8)
    Akira Ioane (6,8)
    Jimmy Tupou (6, lock)
    Dalton Papali'i (6, 7)
    Kara Pryor (7)
    Murphy Taramai (6,7,8)

    Halfback

    Augustine Pulu
    Sam Nock
    Jonathan Ruru

    1st 5

    Stephen Perofeta
    Otere Black
    Bryn Gatland

    Midfield

    SBW
    George Moala
    Rieko Ioane
    T.J. Faiane
    Matty Johnson

    Wing/Fullback

    Matt Duffie
    Melani Nanai
    Michael Collins
    Jordan Trainor
    Caleb Clarke

    Out

    Charlie Faumaina
    Steven Luatua
    Ihaia West
    Piers Francis
    Rene Ranger
    Sam Prattley
    Billy Guyton
    Declan O'Donnell
    Branden Nansen
    Matt Vaega

    This leaves four players + 1st 5 injury cover to be named. The four are probably a loosehead prop, a tighthead prop, a lock, and a loose forward. Maybe another back in place of lock/loose-forward.

    My guesses: Ross Wright (prefer Chris Eves) and Mike Tamoaieta for the props, and Marty McKenzie for replacement 10. Lock and loose-forward I have no idea. For lock I guess Robinson and Frizell might be options. Manihera or Moala-Liava'a at 8.

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    • TimT Away
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      Tim
      wrote on last edited by
      #93

      Likely XXIII:

      1. Hodgman
      2. Parsons
      3. Tu'ungafasi
      4. Tuipulotu
      5. Scrafton
      6. Kaino
      7. Gibson
      8. Ioane
      9. Pulu
      10. Perofeta
        -- now the speculation starts --
      11. Ioane
      12. Faiane
      13. SBW
      14. Nanai
      15. Duffie
        -- reserves are more predictable --
      16. Moulds
      17. Manu
      18. Tamoaieta
      19. Cowley-Tuioti
      20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
      21. Nock
      22. Gatland
      23. Moala

      Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

      I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

      Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

      Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

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      • TimT Tim

        If the Blues "past players" page is accurate, then the following 34 players are confirmed. Squads can be up to 38 + injury cover + WTG.

        Props

        Pauliasi Manu
        Alex Hodgman
        Ofa Tu'ungafasi
        Sione Mafileo

        Hooker

        James Parsons
        Matt Moulds
        Leni Apisai

        Lock

        Patrick Tuipulotu
        Scott Scrafton
        Gerard Cowley-Tuioti
        Josh Goodhue

        Loose Forward

        Blake Gibson (7)
        Jerome Kaino (6,8)
        Akira Ioane (6,8)
        Jimmy Tupou (6, lock)
        Dalton Papali'i (6, 7)
        Kara Pryor (7)
        Murphy Taramai (6,7,8)

        Halfback

        Augustine Pulu
        Sam Nock
        Jonathan Ruru

        1st 5

        Stephen Perofeta
        Otere Black
        Bryn Gatland

        Midfield

        SBW
        George Moala
        Rieko Ioane
        T.J. Faiane
        Matty Johnson

        Wing/Fullback

        Matt Duffie
        Melani Nanai
        Michael Collins
        Jordan Trainor
        Caleb Clarke

        Out

        Charlie Faumaina
        Steven Luatua
        Ihaia West
        Piers Francis
        Rene Ranger
        Sam Prattley
        Billy Guyton
        Declan O'Donnell
        Branden Nansen
        Matt Vaega

        This leaves four players + 1st 5 injury cover to be named. The four are probably a loosehead prop, a tighthead prop, a lock, and a loose forward. Maybe another back in place of lock/loose-forward.

        My guesses: Ross Wright (prefer Chris Eves) and Mike Tamoaieta for the props, and Marty McKenzie for replacement 10. Lock and loose-forward I have no idea. For lock I guess Robinson and Frizell might be options. Manihera or Moala-Liava'a at 8.

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        Daffy Jaffy
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        #94

        @tim Tom Robinson may be the 5th lock and my choice for 1st/5 cover would be Jade Te Rure. Just compared Vaega and Johnson's stats for the Mitre 10 and Johnson's stack up pretty well. He made 12 clean breaks to Vaega's 15 with much less game time and in a struggling team. Defense seems to be Vaega's major work on at only 73% (missed 22 tackles), although Johnsons was not perfect at 82%.

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        • Daffy JaffyD Daffy Jaffy

          @tim Tom Robinson may be the 5th lock and my choice for 1st/5 cover would be Jade Te Rure. Just compared Vaega and Johnson's stats for the Mitre 10 and Johnson's stack up pretty well. He made 12 clean breaks to Vaega's 15 with much less game time and in a struggling team. Defense seems to be Vaega's major work on at only 73% (missed 22 tackles), although Johnsons was not perfect at 82%.

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          Tim
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          #95

          @daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:

          Tom Robinson

          Ah, that's who I meant, not Bond.

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          • TimT Tim

            @daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:

            Tom Robinson

            Ah, that's who I meant, not Bond.

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            taniwharugby
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            #96

            @tim although Bond would be a good option too, very good tight lock!

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            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

              @tim although Bond would be a good option too, very good tight lock!

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              Tim
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              #97

              @taniwharugby With any luck, Goodhue will step up too.

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              • TimT Tim

                @taniwharugby With any luck, Goodhue will step up too.

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                taniwharugby
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                #98

                @tim yeah he started to really step up this year, missed a couple of easy tackles going for the big hits, but throws himself about and when our dysfunctional lineout was functioing, it was usually with him there.

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                • TimT Tim

                  Likely XXIII:

                  1. Hodgman
                  2. Parsons
                  3. Tu'ungafasi
                  4. Tuipulotu
                  5. Scrafton
                  6. Kaino
                  7. Gibson
                  8. Ioane
                  9. Pulu
                  10. Perofeta
                    -- now the speculation starts --
                  11. Ioane
                  12. Faiane
                  13. SBW
                  14. Nanai
                  15. Duffie
                    -- reserves are more predictable --
                  16. Moulds
                  17. Manu
                  18. Tamoaieta
                  19. Cowley-Tuioti
                  20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                  21. Nock
                  22. Gatland
                  23. Moala

                  Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                  I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                  Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                  Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

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                  #99

                  @tim said in Blues 2018:

                  Likely XXIII:

                  1. Hodgman
                  2. Parsons
                  3. Tu'ungafasi
                  4. Tuipulotu
                  5. Scrafton
                  6. Kaino
                  7. Gibson
                  8. Ioane
                  9. Pulu
                  10. Perofeta
                    -- now the speculation starts --
                  11. Ioane
                  12. Faiane
                  13. SBW
                  14. Nanai
                  15. Duffie
                    -- reserves are more predictable --
                  16. Moulds
                  17. Manu
                  18. Tamoaieta
                  19. Cowley-Tuioti
                  20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                  21. Nock
                  22. Gatland
                  23. Moala

                  Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                  I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                  Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                  Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

                  Tana Umaga will surely include Collins somewhere.

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                    @tim said in Blues 2018:

                    Likely XXIII:

                    1. Hodgman
                    2. Parsons
                    3. Tu'ungafasi
                    4. Tuipulotu
                    5. Scrafton
                    6. Kaino
                    7. Gibson
                    8. Ioane
                    9. Pulu
                    10. Perofeta
                      -- now the speculation starts --
                    11. Ioane
                    12. Faiane
                    13. SBW
                    14. Nanai
                    15. Duffie
                      -- reserves are more predictable --
                    16. Moulds
                    17. Manu
                    18. Tamoaieta
                    19. Cowley-Tuioti
                    20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                    21. Nock
                    22. Gatland
                    23. Moala

                    Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                    I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                    Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                    Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

                    Tana Umaga will surely include Collins somewhere.

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                    TimT Away
                    Tim
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #100

                    @cgrant I was going to put him at 23, but then I felt a momentary hopefulness.

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                    • TimT Away
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                      Tim
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                      #101

                      Ezekiel Lindenmuth is a possibility at loosehead.

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                      • TimT Tim

                        Ezekiel Lindenmuth is a possibility at loosehead.

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                        cgrant
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                        #102

                        @tim
                        Still a bit too young but a fine prospect. Hodgman should have a great SR season and earn an AB call. His scrummaging has improved a lot since the BIL tour and he is one of the most effective props in NZ at clearing rucks.

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                          The 2018 Blues squad is:

                          Hookers: Leni Apisai, Matt Moulds, James Parsons.

                          Front row: Alex Hodgman, Sione Mafileo, Pauliasi Manu, Isaac Salmon, Mike Tamoaieta, Ofa Tuungafasi.

                          Locks: Gerard Cowley-Tuioti, Josh Goodhue, Scott Scrafton, Patrick Tuipulotu, Jimmy Tupou

                          Loose forwards: Blake Gibson, Akira Ioane, Jerome Kaino, Dalton Papalii, Glenn Preston, Kara Pryor, Murphy Taramai.

                          Halfbacks: Sam Nock, Augustine Puli, Jonathan Ruru.

                          First Five: Otere Black/Daniel Kirkpatrick, Bryn Gatland, Stephen Perofeta.

                          Midfield: Matt Johnson, George Moala, Tamati Tua, TJ Faiane, Sonny Bill Williams.

                          Outside backs: Caleb Clarke, Michael Collins, Matt Duffie, Rieko Ioane, Melanie Nanai, Jordan Trainor.

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                          • TimT Away
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                            Tim
                            wrote on last edited by Tim
                            #104

                            Good to see Tua there. Looks like they've focused on work-rate for loose forwards. Could do with another ball carrier in there.

                            Kirkpatrick is an absolute joke. Really hope he sees zero game time.

                            Wider Training Group might be important for cover at 8, lock, wing, and when Kirkpatrick is dumped.

                            Hope Gibson isn't out for long!

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                              Daffy Jaffy
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                              #105

                              I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him. .

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                                I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him. .

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                                KiwiMurph
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                                #106

                                @daffy-jaffy its much better than any prop rotation involving Sam Prattley. Addition by subtraction.

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                                  Bovidae
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                                  #107

                                  How old is Salmon? Was he injured if both Halanukonuka and Lomax were played ahead of him?

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                                    How old is Salmon? Was he injured if both Halanukonuka and Lomax were played ahead of him?

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                                    KiwiMurph
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                                    #108

                                    @bovidae 21 years old. He was only an NPC rookie this year I believe.

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                                      Hopefully Dan Kirkpatrick can recapture his U20 form....

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                                      • TimT Tim

                                        Likely XXIII:

                                        1. Hodgman
                                        2. Parsons
                                        3. Tu'ungafasi
                                        4. Tuipulotu
                                        5. Scrafton
                                        6. Kaino
                                        7. Gibson
                                        8. Ioane
                                        9. Pulu
                                        10. Perofeta
                                          -- now the speculation starts --
                                        11. Ioane
                                        12. Faiane
                                        13. SBW
                                        14. Nanai
                                        15. Duffie
                                          -- reserves are more predictable --
                                        16. Moulds
                                        17. Manu
                                        18. Tamoaieta
                                        19. Cowley-Tuioti
                                        20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                                        21. Nock
                                        22. Gatland
                                        23. Moala

                                        Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                                        I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                                        Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                                        Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

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                                        Dice
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                                        #110

                                        @tim said in Blues 2018:

                                        Likely XXIII:

                                        1. Hodgman
                                        2. Parsons
                                        3. Tu'ungafasi
                                        4. Tuipulotu
                                        5. Scrafton
                                        6. Kaino
                                        7. Gibson
                                        8. Ioane
                                        9. Pulu
                                        10. Perofeta
                                          -- now the speculation starts --
                                        11. Ioane
                                        12. Faiane
                                        13. SBW
                                        14. Nanai
                                        15. Duffie
                                          -- reserves are more predictable --
                                        16. Moulds
                                        17. Manu
                                        18. Tamoaieta
                                        19. Cowley-Tuioti
                                        20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                                        21. Nock
                                        22. Gatland
                                        23. Moala

                                        Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                                        I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                                        Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                                        Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

                                        That is pretty close to being spot on.

                                        Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.

                                        That midfield was what I wanted to see this year, but it never got any time. I do wonder if Tana is willing to shift SBW out one.

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                                          This is a fantastic example of a quality 1st XV, on paper at least, but plenty of potential for disaster as soon as this XV is eroded away.

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