All Blacks v France Test 3
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@cgrant nice to see a couple of token North islanders.
I'm still perplexed as to why people think a world beating winger who's been nothing but ordinary at centre (at best) want to see him at centre. In test rugby.
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@cgrant nice to see a couple of token North islanders.
I'm still perplexed as to why people think a world beating winger who's been nothing but ordinary at centre (at best) want to see him at centre. In test rugby.
Ioane was mostly used as 2nd five eight by Umaga, in a shit team. He has all the attributes to become a world class centre.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@cgrant nice to see a couple of token North islanders.
I'm still perplexed as to why people think a world beating winger who's been nothing but ordinary at centre (at best) want to see him at centre. In test rugby.
Ioane was mostly used as 2nd five eight by Umaga, in a shit team. He has all the attributes to become a world class centre.
@cgrant said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@cgrant nice to see a couple of token North islanders.
I'm still perplexed as to why people think a world beating winger who's been nothing but ordinary at centre (at best) want to see him at centre. In test rugby.
Ioane was mostly used as 2nd five eight by Umaga, in a shit team. He has all the attributes to become a world class centre.
Just like Ardie Savea then.
Hayman really should've played 8 huh?
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@cgrant nice to see a couple of token North islanders.
I'm still perplexed as to why people think a world beating winger who's been nothing but ordinary at centre (at best) want to see him at centre. In test rugby.
Ioane was mostly used as 2nd five eight by Umaga, in a shit team. He has all the attributes to become a world class centre.
Just like Ardie Savea then.
Hayman really should've played 8 huh?
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I am many disappoint that most, including it appears the selectors, want to drop who i thought was best on ground last week. And for a rookie and a has-been who has barely played in 12 months
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@bones Yeah, there's the same difference between flanker and centre as there is between wing and centre, and it's also super rare to go from the wing to the midfield.
Great post all around.
@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones Yeah, there's the same difference between flanker and centre as there is between wing and centre, and it's also super rare to go from the wing to the midfield.
Great post all around.
But but Ardie played in the midfield at schoolboy level, he has all the attributes to play there now.
We have:
Goodhue
Laumape
Crotty
SBW
ALBWith other proven, very good midfielders hanging around like:
Buckman
Thomson
ProctorWhy the fuck should we bother throwing Ioane there? Oh he played there in schoolboy rugby. Plus he's shown amazing form in the midfield. If he's good enough, why doesn't that show out a level down? Oh, crap team, of course. But wait, he still looks great on the wing in said crap team! How puzzling.
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@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones Yeah, there's the same difference between flanker and centre as there is between wing and centre, and it's also super rare to go from the wing to the midfield.
Great post all around.
But but Ardie played in the midfield at schoolboy level, he has all the attributes to play there now.
We have:
Goodhue
Laumape
Crotty
SBW
ALBWith other proven, very good midfielders hanging around like:
Buckman
Thomson
ProctorWhy the fuck should we bother throwing Ioane there? Oh he played there in schoolboy rugby. Plus he's shown amazing form in the midfield. If he's good enough, why doesn't that show out a level down? Oh, crap team, of course. But wait, he still looks great on the wing in said crap team! How puzzling.
@bones I'm not advocating him for the AB's this season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a very good centre. He's played their for the ABs, had a couple of decent games there for the Blues last year, and was generally pretty good at 13 (not at 12) for the Blues this year - tidy defence and good go-forward. Not as good as on the wing though.
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@bones I'm not advocating him for the AB's this season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a very good centre. He's played their for the ABs, had a couple of decent games there for the Blues last year, and was generally pretty good at 13 (not at 12) for the Blues this year - tidy defence and good go-forward. Not as good as on the wing though.
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@tim I'd gamble him making a very good centre, especially at international level, is a looooong way off. We have a lot of young guys already showing they are very good centres and a winger is going to throw his hat in the ring and usurp them?
@bones I think we only have one top-notch 13 candidate at the moment - Goodhue, and he is untested at that level. ALB is tidy and skilful, but nothing special at the moment.
There's a lot of good 13s in NZ, but no excellent ones.
I don't think Ioane will be a fulltime centre for at least another two seasons.
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@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones Yeah, there's the same difference between flanker and centre as there is between wing and centre, and it's also super rare to go from the wing to the midfield.
Great post all around.
But but Ardie played in the midfield at schoolboy level, he has all the attributes to play there now.
We have:
Goodhue
Laumape
Crotty
SBW
ALBWith other proven, very good midfielders hanging around like:
Buckman
Thomson
ProctorWhy the fuck should we bother throwing Ioane there? Oh he played there in schoolboy rugby. Plus he's shown amazing form in the midfield. If he's good enough, why doesn't that show out a level down? Oh, crap team, of course. But wait, he still looks great on the wing in said crap team! How puzzling.
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones Yeah, there's the same difference between flanker and centre as there is between wing and centre, and it's also super rare to go from the wing to the midfield.
Great post all around.
But but Ardie played in the midfield at schoolboy level, he has all the attributes to play there now.
We have:
Goodhue
Laumape
Crotty
SBW
ALBWith other proven, very good midfielders hanging around like:
Buckman
Thomson
ProctorWhy the fuck should we bother throwing Ioane there? Oh he played there in schoolboy rugby. Plus he's shown amazing form in the midfield. If he's good enough, why doesn't that show out a level down? Oh, crap team, of course. But wait, he still looks great on the wing in said crap team! How puzzling.
You forgot to mention Ngatai. The fern is disappointed.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones Yeah, there's the same difference between flanker and centre as there is between wing and centre, and it's also super rare to go from the wing to the midfield.
Great post all around.
But but Ardie played in the midfield at schoolboy level, he has all the attributes to play there now.
We have:
Goodhue
Laumape
Crotty
SBW
ALBWith other proven, very good midfielders hanging around like:
Buckman
Thomson
ProctorWhy the fuck should we bother throwing Ioane there? Oh he played there in schoolboy rugby. Plus he's shown amazing form in the midfield. If he's good enough, why doesn't that show out a level down? Oh, crap team, of course. But wait, he still looks great on the wing in said crap team! How puzzling.
You forgot to mention Ngatai. The fern is disappointed.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones Yeah, there's the same difference between flanker and centre as there is between wing and centre, and it's also super rare to go from the wing to the midfield.
Great post all around.
But but Ardie played in the midfield at schoolboy level, he has all the attributes to play there now.
We have:
Goodhue
Laumape
Crotty
SBW
ALBWith other proven, very good midfielders hanging around like:
Buckman
Thomson
ProctorWhy the fuck should we bother throwing Ioane there? Oh he played there in schoolboy rugby. Plus he's shown amazing form in the midfield. If he's good enough, why doesn't that show out a level down? Oh, crap team, of course. But wait, he still looks great on the wing in said crap team! How puzzling.
You forgot to mention Ngatai. The fern is disappointed.
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones Yeah, there's the same difference between flanker and centre as there is between wing and centre, and it's also super rare to go from the wing to the midfield.
Great post all around.
But but Ardie played in the midfield at schoolboy level, he has all the attributes to play there now.
We have:
Goodhue
Laumape
Crotty
SBW
ALBWith other proven, very good midfielders hanging around like:
Buckman
Thomson
ProctorWhy the fuck should we bother throwing Ioane there? Oh he played there in schoolboy rugby. Plus he's shown amazing form in the midfield. If he's good enough, why doesn't that show out a level down? Oh, crap team, of course. But wait, he still looks great on the wing in said crap team! How puzzling.
You forgot to mention Ngatai. The fern is disappointed.
how can you let anyone forget!
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Some top level whining bullshit:
@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Some top level whining bullshit:
"We've got nothing to lose, we've got 80 minutes to play and we'll see what happens."
Including your self respect after that whinge.
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Anyone else think he's a candidate for WR to charge him with bringing the game into disrepute?
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@cgrant nice to see a couple of token North islanders.
I'm still perplexed as to why people think a world beating winger who's been nothing but ordinary at centre (at best) want to see him at centre. In test rugby.
Ioane was mostly used as 2nd five eight by Umaga, in a shit team. He has all the attributes to become a world class centre.
Just like Ardie Savea then.
Hayman really should've played 8 huh?
@bones I don't think Ioane playing at centre in the long-term should be dismissed. Inevitably, he will hit an age where he is no longer able to keep it up on the wing (as all our wingers inevitably do), but he could have an Umaga-like career path where he gradually transitions to the midfield. He certainly has the body-shape and ball-skills to do it. I agree that this week might be too soon for that though.
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Goodhue will be the long term centre, Ioane can therefore keep being the worlds best winger for a few more years.
@gunner said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Goodhue will be the long term centre, Ioane can therefore keep being the worlds best winger for a few more years.
There is no outstanding centre in NZ ... currently. Goodhue has yet to play a test match at this level. I think Ioane has the necessary dimension to become what the AB are looking for. The left wing spot won't be a problem since there are incredibly promising young guns coming (Caleb Clarke, Leicester Faingaanuku). So it is urgent to test Ioane there as the French team is not a great threat and the RWC is coming next year.
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@gunner said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Goodhue will be the long term centre, Ioane can therefore keep being the worlds best winger for a few more years.
There is no outstanding centre in NZ ... currently. Goodhue has yet to play a test match at this level. I think Ioane has the necessary dimension to become what the AB are looking for. The left wing spot won't be a problem since there are incredibly promising young guns coming (Caleb Clarke, Leicester Faingaanuku). So it is urgent to test Ioane there as the French team is not a great threat and the RWC is coming next year.
@cgrant said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@gunner said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Goodhue will be the long term centre, Ioane can therefore keep being the worlds best winger for a few more years.
There is no outstanding centre in NZ ... currently. Goodhue has nowyet to play a test match at this level. I think Ioane has the necessary dimension to become what the AB are looking for. The left wing spot won't be a problem since there are incredibly promising young guns coming (Caleb Clarke, Leicester Faingaanuku). So it is urgent to test Ioane there as the French team is not a great threat and the RWC is coming next year.
The Charlie Ngatai of 2018
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@bones I don't think Ioane playing at centre in the long-term should be dismissed. Inevitably, he will hit an age where he is no longer able to keep it up on the wing (as all our wingers inevitably do), but he could have an Umaga-like career path where he gradually transitions to the midfield. He certainly has the body-shape and ball-skills to do it. I agree that this week might be too soon for that though.
@junior said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones I don't think Ioane playing at centre in the long-term should be dismissed. Inevitably, he will hit an age where he is no longer able to keep it up on the wing (as all our wingers inevitably do), but he could have an Umaga-like career path where he gradually transitions to the midfield. He certainly has the body-shape and ball-skills to do it. I agree that this week might be too soon for that though.
I didn't dismiss Ioane playing at centre in the long-term.
