RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?Lots of players didn’t really put their mark on the game like they have previously or would’ve liked to. Our 9/10 combo, our locks, our midfield barely combined for a play rather it was one out stuff from them. The front rowers seemed ineffective at the ruck.
England pressure caused many of our players problems.
DMac is a talented player and most likely would’ve been in the 23 either starting at fullback or on the bench given the way he was being selected before the injury. Whether he would’ve done better though is like saying Mauger would’ve done better than Lucky or Howlett better than Rocokoko in 2007....
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I had a think about it and put my comments on Twitter. Here they are redrafted for the Fern:
England don't rely on bounce of the ball. They may never be the most creative set of individuals but roles and responsibilities are understood and executed using the talents they have - an Eddie Jones hallmark.
The ABs historically have a hard-nosed approach to the basics, but in recent years they've become a little tinny with some of their "miracle" plays like Barrett magic. They didn't have that, and tried too hard to find it last night.
The "we will out-Kiwi them eventually" doesn't always stick
You got a couple of rough calls from Nigel, which also historically hasn't happened (with Owens or any other ref). At that point the contrasts between leadership of McCaw and Read were highlighted.
The NZRFU systems will ensure that kind of loss remains a rarity, but it's time for a refresh in the coaching ranks.
In a way I'm disappointed (ABE) but would a threepeat with another tinny win be good for the game as a whole?
No.
Also interested to see ex-Fern stalwart Red Beard on Twitter, speculating about absences:
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From our seats it was clear from the start that England challenged us up front and we were found wanting. We never looked like winning, in fact the score flattered us. The backs were neutered as a result of the forwards' inability to get parity
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I was so simple in my wanting cathartic release.
I walked home from the stadium through deserted dodgy areas, no mugging.
I went to a standing bar, got thoroughly re-drunk, yelling “fuck” at the ceiling once in a while. Much to the amusement of locals.
Then I went down to the riverside with a couple of drinks and cigarettes, found a gang of teenagers hanging out causing trouble. Sat down close to them, and when I got eye contact... gestured to the litter-mess they'd caused. They cleaned their shit up, and left.
What do I need to do to get beaten up in this country? I just want my body to feel like my mind does.@Kruse said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I was so simple in my wanting cathartic release.
I walked home from the stadium through deserted dodgy areas, no mugging.
I went to a standing bar, got thoroughly re-drunk, yelling “fuck” at the ceiling once in a while. Much to the amusement of locals.
Then I went down to the riverside with a couple of drinks and cigarettes, found a gang of teenagers hanging out causing trouble. Sat down close to them, and when I got eye contact... gestured to the litter-mess they'd caused. They cleaned their shit up, and left.
What do I need to do to get beaten up in this country? I just want my body to feel like my mind does.God Japan is awesome. When I lived in Palmy it was almost rare not to get assaulted after dark when walking home.
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@Higgins said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The worst is still yet to come. We still have to endure both Rattue and Reason!
And The Walrus
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People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?I hate the loss but I hate these kind of posts after the loss even worse. No complaints about Bounga after Wallabies, South Africa or Ireland , now its a failure? Nothing to suggest any other available combo would have done better. Really did not think Ritchie was the problem.
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@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?I hate the loss but I hate these kind of posts after the loss even worse. No complaints about Bounga after Wallabies, South Africa or Ireland , now its a failure? Nothing to suggest any other available combo would have done better. Really did not think Ritchie was the problem.
@DMX said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?I hate the loss but I hate these kind of posts after the loss even worse. No complaints about Bounga after Wallabies, South Africa or Ireland , now its a failure? Nothing to suggest any other available combo would have done better. Really did not think Ritchie was the problem.
I think some people don’t read all the posts or gloss over a lot.
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People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?@cgrant Totally disagree on this. Not Richies fault .
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Barrett has always been crap against well-executed rush defence anyway. Would have been worse with him at first-five.
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People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?@cgrant I agree Mounga didn’t have a good game. BB, while exceptional at times at full back does not have the greatest kick on him or it deserted him last night. Moving forward Harvilli seems pretty solid at FB and maybe BB back to 1st five. Of course we can play our typical game against any other team with Bounga, except England, and probably win.
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One thing that would be really good going forward: the backline not being tinkered with every other week. Our midfield has suffered for that especially.
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Can we get a welfare check on @mariner4life?
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Can we get a welfare check on @mariner4life?
Haven't watched the game. Was at a great party. Only just woke up.
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I was so simple in my wanting cathartic release.
I walked home from the stadium through deserted dodgy areas, no mugging.
I went to a standing bar, got thoroughly re-drunk, yelling “fuck” at the ceiling once in a while. Much to the amusement of locals.
Then I went down to the riverside with a couple of drinks and cigarettes, found a gang of teenagers hanging out causing trouble. Sat down close to them, and when I got eye contact... gestured to the litter-mess they'd caused. They cleaned their shit up, and left.
What do I need to do to get beaten up in this country? I just want my body to feel like my mind does. -
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Can we get a welfare check on @mariner4life?
Haven't watched the game. Was at a great party. Only just woke up.
@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Can we get a welfare check on @mariner4life?
Haven't watched the game.
Don't.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
No concerns with that loss. We were outplayed and Eddie Jones did his thing.
Never got the criticism of Itoje because he’s played like this before. Well done that man.
Look forward to seeing the ABs one more time against the Boks.
The criticism of Itoje is NZ rugby fan arrogance at its best.
@SammyC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
No concerns with that loss. We were outplayed and Eddie Jones did his thing.
Never got the criticism of Itoje because he’s played like this before. Well done that man.
Look forward to seeing the ABs one more time against the Boks.
The criticism of Itoje is NZ rugby fan arrogance at its best.
I think it has been deserved previously.
... perhaps not now ...
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Some of the ABs have cuts on their faces - is that likely to be dodgy play in the rucks or just bad luck?
