All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
If NZR believe that this year's RWC is as good as it gets, and that a semi final loss is all that we should expect, then they should re-appoint Foster. He's the status quo candidate. He's business as usual. If NZR wants the Ab's to improve and to innovate, then they will need someone new.
Personally I don't want Scott Robertson to coach the AB's because I would like him to rebuild the Crusaders and develop our young squad. But if it means that Ian Foster isn't in charge of the AB's then I'd be happy to sacrifice Razor for the greater good.
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@taniwharugby Yeah - it's money for jam.
I have my interview Thursday week.
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@taniwharugby Yeah - it's money for jam.
I have my interview Thursday week.
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby Yeah - it's money for jam.
I have my interview Thursday week.
Turn up with Pat Lam as your running mate and all is sweet. Oh wait...
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Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
@Kirwan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
Would it? How?
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@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
If NZR believe that this year's RWC is as good as it gets, and that a semi final loss is all that we should expect, then they should re-appoint Foster. He's the status quo candidate. He's business as usual. If NZR wants the Ab's to improve and to innovate, then they will need someone new.
Personally I don't want Scott Robertson to coach the AB's because I would like him to rebuild the Crusaders and develop our young squad. But if it means that Ian Foster isn't in charge of the AB's then I'd be happy to sacrifice Razor for the greater good.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
ha ha ha, true of course. He's got more experience coaching the Crusaders than Henry did - does that count since we're considering weird statistics?
I reckon JJ and TB may be the front runners. International coaching experience, taking a motley crew to a Super title, would be an interesting appointment for sure.
Fossie seems loved by people who work with him (including Wayne Smith, whose opinion I really really respect), and may have become a good coach in the last 8 years. Then again, gut feel is gut feel... just never seemed to 'have it' as a coach.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
ha ha ha, true of course. He's got more experience coaching the Crusaders than Henry did - does that count since we're considering weird statistics?
I reckon JJ and TB may be the front runners. International coaching experience, taking a motley crew to a Super title, would be an interesting appointment for sure.
Fossie seems loved by people who work with him (including Wayne Smith, whose opinion I really really respect), and may have become a good coach in the last 8 years. Then again, gut feel is gut feel... just never seemed to 'have it' as a coach.
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
ha ha ha, true of course. He's got more experience coaching the Crusaders than Henry did - does that count since we're considering weird statistics?
I reckon JJ and TB may be the front runners. International coaching experience, taking a motley crew to a Super title, would be an interesting appointment for sure.
Fossie seems loved by people who work with him (including Wayne Smith, whose opinion I really really respect), and may have become a good coach in the last 8 years. Then again, gut feel is gut feel... just never seemed to 'have it' as a coach.
Cheika also inspired loyalty and is loved by his players. Still a shit coach, being liked and even respected by people you have worked with doesn't mean that much at those level imo. Cheika took a side that was well coached, but hated their coach and was utterly disloyal, and used his Man management skills too get the team all pulling together. But once that initial burst of enthusiasm died, and his actual coaching was important, all down hill
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@Kirwan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
Would it? How?
@Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Kirwan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
Would it? How?
Canterbury cronyism.
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@Chris-B make sure you let us know when you should find out if you are successful
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris-B make sure you let us know when you should find out if you are successful
They said it will be a Thursday, but weren't specific about which one. I've sent them the link to my fern profile demonstrating years of expertise, so I'm expecting it's a foregone conclusion really.
Anyone know how you order a new Maserati?
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris-B make sure you let us know when you should find out if you are successful
They said it will be a Thursday, but weren't specific about which one. I've sent them the link to my fern profile demonstrating years of expertise, so I'm expecting it's a foregone conclusion really.
Anyone know how you order a new Maserati?
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris-B make sure you let us know when you should find out if you are successful
They said it will be a Thursday, but weren't specific about which one. I've sent them the link to my fern profile demonstrating years of expertise, so I'm expecting it's a foregone conclusion really.
Anyone know how you order a new Maserati?
Yup, just send me a few hundred grand and I'll get it done for you.
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris-B make sure you let us know when you should find out if you are successful
They said it will be a Thursday, but weren't specific about which one. I've sent them the link to my fern profile demonstrating years of expertise, so I'm expecting it's a foregone conclusion really.
Anyone know how you order a new Maserati?
Yup, just send me a few hundred grand and I'll get it done for you.
@Machpants As soon as the contract is signed!
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Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
Yes. Beauden Barrett is one.
Secondly, why is it cronyism? He is an incumbent hands on assistant coach. We’ve all been happy with the results of his work up to one game.
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@KiwiMurph said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1195149295101431808?s=19
how underwhelming.
JJ had 10 years coaching Super rugby and won once.
True, but with the Highlanders.
Not a feat anyone else has come close to (except perhaps the Queensland Reds win under Ewen McKenzie -- from rabble to winners back to rabble).
Even Rennie had more to work with when he came in.
@Chester-Draws said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@KiwiMurph said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1195149295101431808?s=19
how underwhelming.
JJ had 10 years coaching Super rugby and won once.
True, but with the Highlanders.
Nah, it's not true. He coached the highlanders for about 5 or 6 seasons then went to Japan for a couple.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
Yes. Beauden Barrett is one.
Secondly, why is it cronyism? He is an incumbent hands on assistant coach. We’ve all been happy with the results of his work up to one game.
How about just focusing on ability rather than parochialism?@Crucial Wh.. wha.. what? Hold on, did you say happy with his work up to one game? Anyone can see the fails and decline in the ABs since the Lions tour. Crucial losses, failure to cope with the rush defense, selection confusion, lack of settled combinations, etc. Whether that is Foster's fault or not, he has been involved.
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@Crucial Wh.. wha.. what? Hold on, did you say happy with his work up to one game? Anyone can see the fails and decline in the ABs since the Lions tour. Crucial losses, failure to cope with the rush defense, selection confusion, lack of settled combinations, etc. Whether that is Foster's fault or not, he has been involved.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial Wh.. wha.. what? Hold on, did you say happy with his work up to one game? Anyone can see the fails and decline in the ABs since the Lions tour. Crucial losses, failure to cope with the rush defense, selection confusion, lack of settled combinations, etc. Whether that is Foster's fault or not, he has been involved.
What I meant was that he has been part of a coaching team with a very high win % over a long period. There seems to be some strange idea that he has been a passenger there on mates rates.
I do agree that the ideas and ways may have run their course and this is a good opportunity for a refresh but it is bullshit to claim that Foster had not had a positive contribution over the last coaching period.
The players have often been quoted praising his work. No need to attack him to promote the candidates you prefer -
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
My biggest problem with Ian Foster is that I don't really see him as a leading Head Coach. He is better suited to being an Assistant Coach or a Director of Rugby. Honourable man, clever enough, but the Chiefs were clearly much better led and a more focused franchise with Dave Rennie at the helm.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial Wh.. wha.. what? Hold on, did you say happy with his work up to one game? Anyone can see the fails and decline in the ABs since the Lions tour. Crucial losses, failure to cope with the rush defense, selection confusion, lack of settled combinations, etc. Whether that is Foster's fault or not, he has been involved.
What I meant was that he has been part of a coaching team with a very high win % over a long period. There seems to be some strange idea that he has been a passenger there on mates rates.
I do agree that the ideas and ways may have run their course and this is a good opportunity for a refresh but it is bullshit to claim that Foster had not had a positive contribution over the last coaching period.
The players have often been quoted praising his work. No need to attack him to promote the candidates you prefer@Crucial Well said, agreed on all points. But as you said a "refresh" is what seems to be obviously needed.
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I never rated Mains as a coach but I agree with him on this.
