All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The more I read the more it is obvious. Foster surely cannot get the job. Shouldn't you need to have success at some high level of coaching? How did he get into the All Blacks set up in the first place? If he gets it, it just seems to be real cronyism.
Like Hansen then?
5 years NPC with 2 wins despite having the strength of Canterbury
2 years as an assistant with the Saders
33% win record as a head coach with Wales
How did he get into the ABs set up in the first place?
87% success with ABs as head coach despite no success at some high level of coaching.
Just trying to add some clarity around things.
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The more I read the more it is obvious. Foster surely cannot get the job. Shouldn't you need to have success at some high level of coaching? How did he get into the All Blacks set up in the first place? If he gets it, it just seems to be real cronyism.
Like Hansen then?
5 years NPC with 2 wins despite having the strength of Canterbury
2 years as an assistant with the Saders
33% win record as a head coach with Wales
How did he get into the ABs set up in the first place?
87% success with ABs as head coach despite no success at some high level of coaching.
Just trying to add some clarity around things.
Only 50% record at RWCs as head coach ...
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@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The more I read the more it is obvious. Foster surely cannot get the job. Shouldn't you need to have success at some high level of coaching? How did he get into the All Blacks set up in the first place? If he gets it, it just seems to be real cronyism.
Like Hansen then?
5 years NPC with 2 wins despite having the strength of Canterbury
2 years as an assistant with the Saders
33% win record as a head coach with Wales
How did he get into the ABs set up in the first place?
87% success with ABs as head coach despite no success at some high level of coaching.
Just trying to add some clarity around things.
Only 50% record at RWCs as head coach ...
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@KiwiMurph said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1195149295101431808?s=19
I'm backing Dave Rennie now.
Nothing against JJ or Razor, but it'll be bloody funny if he-who-used-to-be-Sumo gets this one spectacularly wrong.
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When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
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@KiwiMurph said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1195149295101431808?s=19
how underwhelming.
JJ had 10 years coaching Super rugby and won once.
Foster is a proven failure
Robertson has never even got a team to beat the Crusaders.
@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@KiwiMurph said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1195149295101431808?s=19
how underwhelming.
JJ had 10 years coaching Super rugby and won once.
True, but with the Highlanders.
Not a feat anyone else has come close to (except perhaps the Queensland Reds win under Ewen McKenzie -- from rabble to winners back to rabble).
Even Rennie had more to work with when he came in.
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What does it matter, ABs have the finest cattle, anyone could coach them
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What does it matter, ABs have the finest cattle, anyone could coach them
@taniwharugby Yeah - it's money for jam.
I have my interview Thursday week.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
If NZR believe that this year's RWC is as good as it gets, and that a semi final loss is all that we should expect, then they should re-appoint Foster. He's the status quo candidate. He's business as usual. If NZR wants the Ab's to improve and to innovate, then they will need someone new.
Personally I don't want Scott Robertson to coach the AB's because I would like him to rebuild the Crusaders and develop our young squad. But if it means that Ian Foster isn't in charge of the AB's then I'd be happy to sacrifice Razor for the greater good.
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@taniwharugby Yeah - it's money for jam.
I have my interview Thursday week.
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@taniwharugby Yeah - it's money for jam.
I have my interview Thursday week.
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby Yeah - it's money for jam.
I have my interview Thursday week.
Turn up with Pat Lam as your running mate and all is sweet. Oh wait...
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Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
@Kirwan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
Would it? How?
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@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
If NZR believe that this year's RWC is as good as it gets, and that a semi final loss is all that we should expect, then they should re-appoint Foster. He's the status quo candidate. He's business as usual. If NZR wants the Ab's to improve and to innovate, then they will need someone new.
Personally I don't want Scott Robertson to coach the AB's because I would like him to rebuild the Crusaders and develop our young squad. But if it means that Ian Foster isn't in charge of the AB's then I'd be happy to sacrifice Razor for the greater good.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
ha ha ha, true of course. He's got more experience coaching the Crusaders than Henry did - does that count since we're considering weird statistics?
I reckon JJ and TB may be the front runners. International coaching experience, taking a motley crew to a Super title, would be an interesting appointment for sure.
Fossie seems loved by people who work with him (including Wayne Smith, whose opinion I really really respect), and may have become a good coach in the last 8 years. Then again, gut feel is gut feel... just never seemed to 'have it' as a coach.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
ha ha ha, true of course. He's got more experience coaching the Crusaders than Henry did - does that count since we're considering weird statistics?
I reckon JJ and TB may be the front runners. International coaching experience, taking a motley crew to a Super title, would be an interesting appointment for sure.
Fossie seems loved by people who work with him (including Wayne Smith, whose opinion I really really respect), and may have become a good coach in the last 8 years. Then again, gut feel is gut feel... just never seemed to 'have it' as a coach.
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
ha ha ha, true of course. He's got more experience coaching the Crusaders than Henry did - does that count since we're considering weird statistics?
I reckon JJ and TB may be the front runners. International coaching experience, taking a motley crew to a Super title, would be an interesting appointment for sure.
Fossie seems loved by people who work with him (including Wayne Smith, whose opinion I really really respect), and may have become a good coach in the last 8 years. Then again, gut feel is gut feel... just never seemed to 'have it' as a coach.
Cheika also inspired loyalty and is loved by his players. Still a shit coach, being liked and even respected by people you have worked with doesn't mean that much at those level imo. Cheika took a side that was well coached, but hated their coach and was utterly disloyal, and used his Man management skills too get the team all pulling together. But once that initial burst of enthusiasm died, and his actual coaching was important, all down hill
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@Kirwan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
Would it? How?
@Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Kirwan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Is there anyone outside of the NZR senior leadership circle that genuinely thinks that Ian Foster is the best person for the job? His appointment would be the very definition of cronyism.
As would the inexperienced Robertson really.
Would it? How?
Canterbury cronyism.
